<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Folks</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Susannah was right to correct this. Andrea made a good faith mistake saying ISOC-NY "drives the other chapters." She's new to the chapter this year, and presumably assumed the <u>hopes talked abou</u>t in the New York chapter in 2018 reflected actual accomplishments. I've been a board member for several years; it just isn't so.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Actually, until a few months ago, the New York chapter hadn't even had a meeting in over a year. Under our previous chapter president, the chapter was all but defunct. We hadn't had a major event in years and were down to fewer than 20 active members. I don't remember more than one board meeting per year. In 2017, we had only one or two board meetings (the minutes are unclear) and no membership meetings. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">About the only visible things that were being done were Joly doing videos and me writing to this list and speaking up at ISOC events. Avri was active in the Chapters committee but didn't report to the local chapter and a few people went to events with ISOC funding. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I laughed when I heard the staff had given the NY Chapter an excellent rating even though we weren't having meetings, elections, or doing very much. Being friendly with a few staff people paid off.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Joly couldn't have done the videos without regular pay from ISOC and they received little support from the chapter if I remember correctly. I've spoken up on ISOC issues because I tilt at many windmills, and received no support from the chapter to do so. (In fact, I was told to be more positive about ISOC, although my facts were almost never questioned.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">In the last year, the funding for video went up; they are great ISOC pr. That may have given the impression "New York" was doing a great deal but actually that was ISOC central funding a dedicated video person, not a chapter activity.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">People not active in the chapter put together an interesting project, NY MESH. ISOC provided $20K and the chapter is now providing "fiscal agency" for a fee. That's good.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">------------------</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Things started to improve when the previous president resigned and Joly took over. A proposal to support Net Neutrality was pulled back in the name of consensus when the acting President opposed the idea. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">The results so far are minimal but I hope that will change. In 2018, we've had three board meetings that put forth many ideas. Google paid $20K which funded two events. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">So I hope we'll actually lead in the future, but we haven't so far.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Editor, <a href="http://Fastnet.news" target="_blank">http://Fastnet.news</a> <a href="http://wirelessone.news" target="_blank">http://wirelessone.news</a> <a href="http://massivemimo.rocks" target="_blank">http://massivemimo.rocks</a> <a href="http://gfastnews.com" target="_blank">gfastnews.com</a></div><div dir="ltr">Author with Jennie Bourne DSL (Wiley) and Web Video: Making It Great, Getting It Noticed (Peachpit)</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Susannah Gray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com" target="_blank">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_4767176830329014788moz-cite-prefix">On 30/03/2018 07:59, Andrea Romaoli
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<div id="m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I don't feel the work hampered by
the participation of others but a little bit control will be
positive.</div>
<div id="m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">The way ISOC is set up today allows
a work oriented to local needs.</div>
<div id="m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I add that Chaptor NY has a greater
responsibility and visibility because it drives the other
chapters and brings new subjects to discuss for other
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- What do you mean by ISOC NY 'drives the other chapters'? <br>
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<div id="m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">A little bit of control is needed
but volunteers input can identify new solutions that the
meetings routine extinguishes.</div>
<div id="m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">I don't live in the United States
but I've been serving shelters in Washington for
volunteering... Well... stakeholders and member must work
together </div>
<div id="m_4767176830329014788AppleMailSignature">There are volunteers and
stakeholder with technical ability that is helpful. But I
think we should control a hight level to maintain the quality
of the discussions and close the doors to those demagogues who
do nothing but just wish put their name in the highlightner</div>
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ANDRÉA ROMAOLI GARCIA
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<div>Director ISOC-NY </div>
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On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:37, Sivasubramanian M <<a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While
ISOC has been successful, we do not know if the
current structure has contributed to that success,
or if ISOC could have been more successful if
member-driven.</span></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Agreed.
We can not possibly deny that ICANN would be more successful
nor assert that it would be less successful in a
member-driven scenario. What I said was that it worked. </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">While
I agree with Dave completely, the reality is giving
members control is contrary to the founding
documents and formal structure of ISOC. ISOC is
not, and never has been, a community of members, or
democratic. It is a Trust, organised around
managing a perpetual flow of income. Members do not
contribute to that income, and are therefore
powerless. Article V.1 states “Individual members
shall not have any voting rights with respect to the
Society.” </span></p>
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founding documents probably did not anticipate ISOC to
take shape as a Community with several hundred
'volunteers' of good Technical and Policy expertise.
ISOC unwittingly imparts the impression of a Community
driven organization, and it is this perception that
renders credibility to ISOC's policy advice. <span> </span></div>
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