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Hi Todd, <br>
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Thank you for this email and for pausing this campaign while further
discussion with the Chapters takes place. <br>
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Look forward to figuring out a way forward.<br>
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Regards, <br>
<br>
Susannah <br>
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Susannah Gray <br>
President <br>
San Francisco-Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/11/2017 06:32, Todd M. Tolbert
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Chapter Leaders,<br>
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<div>I appreciate this comment and all the others. They are not
falling on deaf ears, I promise.</div>
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<div>I have postponed the campaign for now. I am interested now
from this group, what the next steps would be to get to a point
where we can come to an agreement that this test (in some form)
should be run and attempted, with the support of the chapters.</div>
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<div>I believe there is a Steering Committee meeting on Monday the
20th. I believe I return from my travels around the time that
meeting is happening, so I will do everything in my power to be
on the call.<br>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Thank You,
<div>Todd</div>
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On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Eduardo Diaz <<a
href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>ISOC should start to apply to itself the same
multi-stakeholder mechanisms that it so much promotes
around the world. The Chapter Advisory Council is one of
those mechanisms. Use it.</div>
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<div>My recommendation going forward is to send a request
for advice to the ChAC Steering Committee and let the
ball roll there. This will give ISOC the chapter's
insights and ideas on how to move ahead with this
program. Even if the final ChAC advice is not 100%
acceptable, at least all chapters will be aware of the
program and consulted previous to launching it. </div>
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<div>Reactions like you got from ISOC San Francisco and
others (like ours) are an indication of how ISOC is
still disconnected from its chapters.</div>
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<div>-ed</div>
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<div>ISOC-PR</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM Evan
Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Todd,</div>
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campaign is the first in a long while from
the Internet Society, it used to be a
common practice and ISOC has raised money
from individuals before. We haven’t done
so in the last few years for several
reasons, but mostly because we felt that
our processes and mechanisms were not
professional enough.
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No, it wasn't all about processes. The
creation of a chapter in Canada was
originally started after the 1997 INET
meeting in Montreal, but was cancelled
because of an inability to reach agreement
on revenue/solicitation sharing between HQ
and Chapters (this was before the PIR
windfall). As a result, there was no Canada
chapter until a reboot effort started a few
years ago. Some of the people involved in
that original effort are on the Canada
Chapter board now so they know the history.</div>
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Broadly, the concept of ISOC fundraising
from members independently from Chapters is
not new, and has been controversial when it
occurred in the past. Perhaps the plan's
designers might have encountered more of
this information and institutional memory,
had Chapters been consulted in the planning
stages rather than after everything was
finalized.</div>
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doing this now are in line with our
position as a global non-profit
organization including diversity of
our funding sources, which has been a
stated goal of ISOC for years; to
strengthen the mid and long term
financial sustainability of the
organization. And secondly, to
maintain and strengthen the status as
a non-profit organization that needs
to meet certain rules of revenue
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<div><font
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ISOC bylaws state that its two advisory
committees exist </font><span
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purpose of providing information and
advice to the Board of Trustees and the
President of the Internet Society on
matters of strategic importance</i>". </span><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The whole
reason some of us worked so hard to create a
Chapters Advisory Council was to establish
an appropriate bi-directional channel that
would inform HQ about local sensibilities
while then working together in international
initiatives.
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Think global, act local.</div>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Surely
a tax-status-related crisis of income
diversity qualifies as 'strategic
importance'. Why was the Chapters Advisory
Council not asked for advice on this as
the Bylaws explicitly indicate? Who made
the call that this issue was not
sufficiently strategic to consult Chapters
in advance?</span><br>
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Had the ChAC been approached by staff and
told "we need to diversify revenue sources
from our community", you may have discovered
a breadth of innovative approaches. The
discussion of whether it is reasonable to
have a nominal fee for ISOC membership may
have proven useful. Or you may have come to
the exact same conclusion as you have now,
but this time with Chapters as enthusiastic
allies rather than potential competitors for
the same sustaining funding.</div>
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Consider the fundraising model used by
American public broadcasting. Consider that
PBS doesn't do any membership or individual
fundraising campaigns without the close
collaboration of WETA, its local partner in
Washington. Having parallel national and local
campaigns could be a disaster.</div>
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intent of this campaign to divert
attention from the chapters or try to
confuse the recipient at all.</span></p>
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<div><span
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you know -- or at least know by now -- there
are Chapters that charge for membership, and
some that do their own
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solicitations of members based on
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initiatives.
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a
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program now will catch them off
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guard and with very little time to determine
how to work (or cope) with it. How can
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state definitively that these initiatives
will not be confusing or competitive without
having reached out to these Chapters --
either individually or through the Council?</span></div>
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message will touch on the breadth and
depth of what the community does in
the world and that obviously includes
the work in the chapters. Both
messages will go out on our standard
mailer format which has been used to
this list for the entirety of 2017.</span><br>
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<div><span
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worst, this is a potential for direct
conflict with some Chapters.</span><br>
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At best, this is a missed opportunity to let
the Chapters Advisory Council fulfill its
Bylaw role as an integral part of the ISOC
decision-making process. ISOC can't be a
trusted advocate for multi-stakeholder
approaches to Internet governance when it
ignores its own internal multi-stakeholder
structures. There is a further missed
opportunity in that shutting Chapters out of
the campaign architecture reduces the
potential for a network of local champions
once the donation campaigns are launched.</div>
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To use a tennis metaphor, this is an
unforced error. Not too late to fix.</div>
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el56</div>
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