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    Hi Todd, <br>
    <br>
    Thank you for this email and for pausing this campaign while further
    discussion with the Chapters takes place. <br>
    <br>
    Look forward to figuring out a way forward.<br>
    <br>
    Regards, <br>
    <br>
    Susannah <br>
    <br>
    —<br>
    Susannah Gray <br>
    President <br>
    San Francisco-Bay Area Internet Society Chapter<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sfbayisoc.org">www.sfbayisoc.org</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/11/2017 06:32, Todd M. Tolbert
      wrote:<br>
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      Chapter Leaders,<br>
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      <div>I appreciate this comment and all the others. They are not
        falling on deaf ears, I promise.</div>
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      <div>I have postponed the campaign for now. I am interested now
        from this group, what the next steps would be to get to a point
        where we can come to an agreement that this test (in some form)
        should be run and attempted, with the support of the chapters.</div>
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      <div>I believe there is a Steering Committee meeting on Monday the
        20th. I believe I return from my travels around the time that
        meeting is happening, so I will do everything in my power to be
        on the call.<br>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Thank You,
          <div>Todd</div>
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          On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Eduardo Diaz <<a
            href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Todd:
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              <div>ISOC should start to apply to itself the same
                multi-stakeholder mechanisms that it so much promotes
                around the world. The Chapter Advisory Council is one of
                those mechanisms. Use it.</div>
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              <div>My recommendation going forward is to send a request
                for advice to the ChAC Steering Committee and let the
                ball roll there. This will give ISOC the chapter's
                insights and ideas on how to move ahead with this
                program. Even if the final ChAC advice is not 100%
                acceptable, at least all chapters will be aware of the
                program and consulted previous to launching it.  </div>
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              <div>Reactions like you got from ISOC San Francisco and
                others (like ours) are an indication of how ISOC is
                still disconnected from its chapters.</div>
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              <div>-ed</div>
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              <div>ISOC-PR</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM Evan
                  Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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                      Hi Todd,</div>
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                              campaign is the first in a long while from
                              the Internet Society, it used to be a
                              common practice and ISOC has raised money
                              from individuals before. We haven’t done
                              so in the last few years for several
                              reasons, but mostly because we felt that
                              our processes and mechanisms were not
                              professional enough.
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                            ​No, it wasn't all about processes. The
                            creation of a chapter in Canada was
                            originally started after the 1997 INET
                            meeting in Montreal, but was cancelled
                            because of an inability to reach agreement
                            on revenue​/solicitation sharing between HQ
                            and Chapters (this was before the PIR
                            windfall). As a result, there was no Canada
                            chapter until a reboot effort started a few
                            years ago. Some of the people involved in
                            that original effort are on the Canada
                            Chapter board now so they know the history.</div>
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                            Broadly, the concept of ISOC fundraising
                            from members independently from Chapters is
                            not new, and has been controversial when it
                            occurred in the past. Perhaps the plan's
                            designers might have encountered more of
                            this information and institutional memory,
                            had Chapters been consulted in the planning
                            stages rather than after everything was
                            finalized.</div>
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                                  style="font-size:11pt">Our reasons for
                                  doing this now are in line with our
                                  position as a global non-profit
                                  organization including diversity of
                                  our funding sources, which has been a
                                  stated goal of ISOC for years; to
                                  strengthen the mid and long term
                                  financial sustainability of the
                                  organization. And secondly, to
                                  maintain and strengthen the status as
                                  a non-profit organization that needs
                                  to meet certain rules of revenue
                                  sources.</span></p>
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                            face="tahoma, sans-serif">Section 2 of the
                            ISOC bylaws state that its two advisory
                            committees exist </font><span
                            style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">"<i>for the
                              purpose of providing information and
                              advice to the Board of Trustees and the
                              President of the Internet Society on
                              matters of strategic importance</i>". </span><span
style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The whole
                            reason some of us worked so hard to create a
                            Chapters Advisory Council was to establish
                            an appropriate bi-directional channel that
                            would inform HQ about local sensibilities
                            while then working together in international
                            initiatives.
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                              Think global, act local.​</div>
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                            <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Surely
                              a tax-status-related crisis of income
                              diversity qualifies as 'strategic
                              importance'. Why was the Chapters Advisory
                              Council not asked for advice on this as
                              the Bylaws explicitly indicate? Who made
                              the call that this issue was not
                              sufficiently strategic to consult Chapters
                              in advance?</span><br>
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                            Had the ChAC been approached by staff and
                            told "we need to diversify revenue sources
                            from our community", you may have discovered
                            a breadth of innovative approaches. The
                            discussion of whether it is reasonable to
                            have a nominal fee for ISOC membership may
                            have proven useful. Or you may have come to
                            the exact same conclusion as you have now,
                            but this time with Chapters as enthusiastic
                            allies rather than potential competitors for
                            the same sustaining funding.</div>
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                          Consider the fundraising model used by
                          American public broadcasting. Consider that
                          PBS doesn't do any membership or individual
                          fundraising campaigns without the close
                          collaboration of WETA, its local partner in
                          Washington. Having parallel national and local
                          campaigns could be a disaster.</div>
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                                  style="font-size:11pt">It is not the
                                  intent of this campaign to divert
                                  attention from the chapters or try to
                                  confuse the recipient at all.</span></p>
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                            style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">As
                            you know -- or at least know by now -- there
                            are Chapters that charge for membership, and
                            some that do their own
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                            solicitations of members based on
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                             initiatives.
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                             a
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                            program now will catch them off
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                            guard and with very little time to determine
                            how to work (or cope) with it. How can
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                             state definitively that these initiatives
                            will not be confusing or competitive without
                            having reached out to these Chapters --
                            either individually or through the Council?</span></div>
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                                  style="font-size:11pt">I believe the
                                  message will touch on the breadth and
                                  depth of what the community does in
                                  the world and that obviously includes
                                  the work in the chapters. Both
                                  messages will go out on our standard
                                  mailer format which has been used to
                                  this list for the entirety of 2017.</span><br>
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                            style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">​At
                            worst, this is a potential for direct
                            conflict with some Chapters.</span><br>
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                            At best, this is a missed opportunity to let
                            the Chapters Advisory Council fulfill its
                            Bylaw role as an integral part of the ISOC
                            decision-making process. ISOC can't be a
                            trusted advocate for multi-stakeholder
                            approaches to Internet governance when it
                            ignores its own internal multi-stakeholder
                            structures. There is a further missed
                            opportunity in that shutting Chapters out of
                            the campaign architecture reduces the
                            potential for a network of local champions
                            ​once the donation campaigns are launched.</div>
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                            To use a tennis metaphor, this is an
                            unforced error. Not too late to fix.</div>
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                                  <div style="text-align:left">Evan
                                    Leibovitch</div>
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                                    Canada</div>
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                                      evan at telly dot org</div>
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                                    <div style="text-align:left">Sk:
                                      evanleibovitch</div>
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                                    <div style="text-align:left">Tw:
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