<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm with John here. While the m17m dogfood comments have merit, I find the castigation of ISOC, and its staff, disgusting. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">As they say, haters gonna hate.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The energy might be better spent on promoting local Chapter activity.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">joly</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:55 AM, John More <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Brandt<div><br></div><div>I find you email incredibly offensive and misinformed. Linking this initiative to raise funds to the scandals in Ireland is pure trolling. You might want to get Trump to help you.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, this could have and should have been rolled out with early input from Chapters, but it not having been is no basis for the position you have taken or your attacks.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">John More</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 14, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Brandt Dainow <<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_3637851662971795023WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is another example of why we need better control of staff. This is almost certainly contrary to the new ISOC data protection initiative. <span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ireland has had several charity scandals which have resulted in very strict rules regarding non-profit organisations after several charities misused donations. I am in the processing of going through very strict examinations to form ISOC Ireland. A key part of getting government permission to form has been ISOC Ireland’s written commitment we will not seek donations in Ireland. That makes a huge difference to getting permission because it means the government doesn’t have to worry about us misusing Irish donations or doing money laundering, and means we can avoid many regulatory requirements. I can try explaining to the government that ISOC Ireland is separate from the Internet Society, but it’s a distinction they are unlikely to understand, and probably won’t accept. And I don’t need the extra work. There is even a possibility I could be deemed to be Ireland’s ISOC representative and held responsible by the government for a) making false claims about our activities b) not complying with charity regulations c) not complying with tax reporting regulations d) violating Irish regulations which forbid donation campaigns by unregistered charities. <span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am not sure at this stage what impact this will have on me, but I don’t need any further complications in an environment which is now actively hostile to not-for-profit agencies. I would imagine the same problem is now going to arise for chapters in countries such as Russia and India.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am, to be frank, tired of an out-of-touch staff and central office doing things which mess everyone else around – Catalonia, the recent mess with the amended chapter’s agreement, etc. I have come to the conclusion no one is managing the staff. It looks like total chaos in which staff members do whatever they feel like, tell no one what they are doing, don’t really understand either the internet or the Internet Society, barely recognise the existence of the chapters, and have no management control.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Let me speak plainly – NOTHING should be worked on by staff without prior knowledge of the policy groups, the chapter leaders, and the members. The original idea for this donation drive should have been announced on the website, with opportunity for comment and input, then designed in an open fashion through a suitable public forum.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Staff need to change their understanding of who they are. They do not run the Internet Society. They work for the members. They shouldn’t be allowed to do anything without the knowledge of the members and, where members wish it, their permission.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have to say, at this stage, I am not sure the Internet Society is fit for purpose anymore. It really needs to undertake a major reform, or simply close.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Brandt Dainow<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/<wbr>profile/Brandt_Dainow</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.imediaconnection.<wbr>com/profiles/brandt.dainow</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:chapter-delegates-<wbr>bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Eduardo Diaz<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span>14 November 2017 12:59<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span>Todd M. Tolbert<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.<wbr>isoc.org</a>;<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:isocpr-board-group-list@googlegroups.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">isocpr-board-group-<wbr>list@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation campaign<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Todd:<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ISOC should start to apply to itself the same multi-stakeholder mechanisms that it so much promotes around the world. The Chapter Advisory Council is one of those mechanisms. Use it.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My recommendation going forward is to send a request for advice to the ChAC Steering Committee and let the ball roll there. This will give ISOC the chapter's insights and ideas on how to move ahead with this program. Even if the final ChAC advice is not 100% acceptable, at least all chapters will be aware of the program and consulted previous to launching it. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Reactions like you got from ISOC San Francisco and others (like ours) are an indication of how ISOC is still disconnected from its chapters.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-ed<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ISOC-PR<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Hi Todd,<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">T<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">his campaign is the first in a long while from the Internet Society, it used to be a common practice and ISOC has raised money from individuals before. We haven’t done so in the last few years for several reasons, but mostly because we felt that our processes and mechanisms were not professional enough.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">No, it wasn't all about processes. The creation of a chapter in Canada was originally started after the 1997 INET meeting in Montreal, but was cancelled because of an inability to reach agreement on revenue/solicitation sharing between HQ and Chapters (this was before the PIR windfall). As a result, there was no Canada chapter until a reboot effort started a few years ago. Some of the people involved in that original effort are on the Canada Chapter board now so they know the history.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Broadly, the concept of ISOC fundraising from members independently from Chapters is not new, and has been controversial when it occurred in the past. Perhaps the plan's designers might have encountered more of this information and institutional memory, had Chapters been consulted in the planning stages rather than after everything was finalized.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><p class="m_3637851662971795023m-720240266961539312gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">Our reasons for doing this now are in line with our position as a global non-profit organization including diversity of our funding sources, which has been a stated goal of ISOC for years; to strengthen the mid and long term financial sustainability of the organization. And secondly, to maintain and strengthen the status as a non-profit organization that needs to meet certain rules of revenue sources.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Section 2 of the ISOC bylaws state that its two advisory committees exist </span><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">"<i>for the purpose of providing information and advice to the Board of Trustees and the President of the Internet Society on matters of strategic importance</i>". </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The whole reason some of us worked so hard to create a Chapters Advisory Council was to establish an appropriate bi-directional channel that would inform HQ about local sensibilities while then working together in international initiatives.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> Think global, act local.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Surely a tax-status-related crisis of income diversity qualifies as 'strategic importance'. Why was the Chapters Advisory Council not asked for advice on this as the Bylaws explicitly indicate? Who made the call that this issue was not sufficiently strategic to consult Chapters in advance?</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Had the ChAC been approached by staff and told "we need to diversify revenue sources from our community", you may have discovered a breadth of innovative approaches. The discussion of whether it is reasonable to have a nominal fee for ISOC membership may have proven useful. Or you may have come to the exact same conclusion as you have now, but this time with Chapters as enthusiastic allies rather than potential competitors for the same sustaining funding.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Consider the fundraising model used by American public broadcasting. Consider that PBS doesn't do any membership or individual fundraising campaigns without the close collaboration of WETA, its local partner in Washington. Having parallel national and local campaigns could be a disaster.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><p class="m_3637851662971795023m-720240266961539312gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">It is not the intent of this campaign to divert attention from the chapters or try to confuse the recipient at all.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">As you know -- or at least know by now -- there are Chapters that charge for membership, and some that do their own<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">financial <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">solicitations of members based on<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">local<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> initiatives.<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Starting<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> a<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">solicitation <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">program now will catch them off<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">guard and with very little time to determine how to work (or cope) with it. How can<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">anyone<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> state definitively that these initiatives will not be confusing or competitive without having reached out to these Chapters -- either individually or through the Council?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><p class="m_3637851662971795023m-720240266961539312gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">I believe the message will touch on the breadth and depth of what the community does in the world and that obviously includes the work in the chapters. Both messages will go out on our standard mailer format which has been used to this list for the entirety of 2017.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">At worst, this is a potential for direct conflict with some Chapters.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">At best, this is a missed opportunity to let the Chapters Advisory Council fulfill its Bylaw role as an integral part of the ISOC decision-making process. ISOC can't be a trusted advocate for multi-stakeholder approaches to Internet governance when it ignores its own internal multi-stakeholder structures. There is a further missed opportunity in that shutting Chapters out of the campaign architecture reduces the potential for a network of local champions once the donation campaigns are launched.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">To use a tennis metaphor, this is an unforced error. Not too late to fix.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">--<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Evan Leibovitch<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Toronto, Canada<u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 30pt" type="cite"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Em: evan at telly dot org<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sk: evanleibovitch<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Tw: el56<u></u><u></u></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>Chapter Portal (AMS):<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://portal.isoc.org/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><u></u><u></u></div></blockquote></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Chapter Portal (AMS):<span class="m_3637851662971795023Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://portal.isoc.org/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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