<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Dear colleagues,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Evidences on Internet censorship in Catalonia have been reported by the Open Observatory of Network Interference:<br><a href="https://ooni.torproject.org/post/internet-censorship-catalonia-independence-referendum/">https://ooni.torproject.org/post/internet-censorship-catalonia-independence-referendum/</a><br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">The Electronic Frontier Foundation has also reported what is happening: <br><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/10/no-justification-spanish-internet-censorship-during-catalonian-referendum">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/10/no-justification-spanish-internet-censorship-during-catalonian-referendum</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Best regards,<br><br>Magí Lluch-Ariet, ISOC-CAT<br><br>PS. For those that still consider human rights are not being violated in Catalonia, please take also a look at the Amnesty International website and BBC news.<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-02 11:47 GMT+02:00 Borka Jerman Blazic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:borka@e5.ijs.si" target="_blank">borka@e5.ijs.si</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Dear Chaime,<br>
<br>
I commented the shut down of sites with TLD without any reason
known for closing the sites.<br>
Regarding the yesterday event, I saw on TV not pleasant filmed
pictures in live, and listen the report of the Slovenian <br>
state Slovenian RTV reporter/journalist from the sites<br>
(Barcelona and others). I t was said that cca 500 people were
wounded and one or two very hard<br>
when Spamish Guardia Civil tryed to close the voting sites. <br>
So, I saw it with my eyes. <br>
<br>
In addition the president of the Slovenian parliament gave similar
statement and supported the<br>
possibility of European people to express their wills without any
violence caused due to political reason.<br>
<br>
I agree that this list is not place for politics, so I commented
only the closing of the sites from ICCAN given and recognized<br>
TLD .cat. This is Internet matter, more exactly Internet
governance and is part of ISOC Chapters matters.<br>
And the violence I have seen on TV, this is an European matter.
No comments were sent about the politics.<br>
<br>
With regards,<br>
<br>
Borka<br>
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chaime je 2.10.2017 ob 11:31 napisal:<br>
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Dear ISOC colleagues,
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<div>We started to promote ISOC-Aragón in 1994. I am
member of ISOC since then. I suggest don’t use this list for
political purposes. <span id="m_-2854082138780562441result_box" lang="en">Much
less to manipulate the information and distribute propaganda
'nacional-catalanista’. No violation of the basic human right
was done yesterday. </span>In any case, several crimes of
sedition, see the Spanish penal code. This is really sad.</div>
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<div>Chaime Marcuello Servós</div>
<div><span>President of the Aragonese
Chapter</span></div>
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<div>El 2 oct 2017, a las 11:03, Magí Lluch-Ariet
<<a href="mailto:magi.lluch@gmail.com" target="_blank">magi.lluch@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default">Dear colleagues,<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Thank you very much for all
your messages of support. Yesterday in Catalonia we
lived one of the saddest days in Europe in recent times.
The violation of the basic human rights has gone much
more beyond the Internet censorship.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">At the Catalan Chapter we'll be
always working to condemn the violation of ISOC
principles and support the European democratic values
even if the go against certain legal frameworks.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Warmest regards and thanks
again for your support.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Magí Lluch-Ariet<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">President of the Catalan
Chapter<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-02 4:05 GMT+02:00 Yohanes
Sumaryo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sumaryo@gmail.com" target="_blank">sumaryo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Our deepest concern to what
happen in ISOC Catalonia.
<div dir="auto">Hope all end well.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best Regards</div>
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<div dir="auto">ISOC Jakarta Chapter</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 2, 2017 3:20 AM,
"Ariel Manoff" <<a href="mailto:amanoff@vmf.com.ar" target="_blank">amanoff@vmf.com.ar</a>>
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Brandt,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> I agree with you that
the exaggerated nationalisms are
very dangerous. On the other hand I
believe that the formation of new
chapters belonging to minorities or
other regional groups are healthy
for the Internet ecosystem and we
should support the formation of new
chapters without producing
overlapping. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hector</span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span lang="ES">
Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-boun<wbr>ces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>En nombre de </b>Brandt
Dainow<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b>
viernes, 29 de septiembre de
2017 07:39<br>
<b>Para:</b> 'Thomas
Lowenhaupt'; <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.<wbr>org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re:
[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC
statement about on Internet
blocking measures in Catalonia,
Spain</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">+1</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Consultation with only
the Catalan chapter, and no other
chapter in Spain is clearly
inadequate, and possibly even rude
to the Spanish chapter. There is an
obvious difference of opinion over
the referendum in Spain, and I
assume there are ISOC members who
hold sincere beliefs on both sides.
To speak to only one party and not
others is, at best, politically
naïve.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As a resident of
Ireland, I have been personally
caught up in 5 IRA bomb attacks.
Everyone in Ireland is personally
worried about the possibility of a
renewal of IRA terrorism. We all
work hard to avoid a return to “the
troubles,” as we call those times.
We understand that these could be
triggered by many things which an
outsider would consider perfectly
innocent. You have to live in
Ireland to appreciate the intense
sensitivity and how close we all are
to a return to violence. I am not
exaggerating when I say the
formation of an Irish-language ISOC
chapter in Northern Ireland could
lead to people being murdered. The
situation really is that sensitive.
I am sure there are many ISOC
members whose countries are in a
similarly sensitive position.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As I see it, at
minimum, ISOC needs to permit anyone
who is interested to participate in
authorisation of any chapter
anywhere, and we need consistent,
documented, processes for this.
Alternatively, we need to base
regional chapter formations on
boundaries created outside ISOC so
that such decisions are out of our
control. For example, limiting
chapters to nation states recognised
by the UN.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">There are many places
in the world subject to forces
seeking to break existing states;
many regions seeking independence,
many cultural and language groups
seeking better representation. In
some countries, merely identifying a
sub-group as existing is
controversial or illegal. As the
internet becomes more central to
global society, it becomes a place
for political contention. The
formation of an ISOC chapter can be
used as part of a political campaign
by such groups. I think it
extremely dangerous if ISOC becomes
another tool in such campaigns.
Clearly ISOC cannot take sides in
such campaigns, no matter how
justified some members may feel
about any given group’s claims. I
am open to alternative suggestions,
and only seek to start a
conversation, but I think it clear
the whole ISOC chapter formation
process needs to be reworked.</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Brandt Dainow</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/p<wbr>rofile/Brandt_Dainow</a></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US">
Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">mailto:chapter-delegates-boun<wbr>ces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas
Lowenhaupt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29
September 2017 03:35<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.<wbr>org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC
statement about on Internet
blocking measures in Catalonia,
Spain</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<div><span lang="EN-IE">The .cat evolution is
something I’ve followed for over a
decade. As a proponent of city TLDs
and an advocate for the .nyc TLD,
the process that enabled .cat’s
issuance intrigued me.</span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<div><span lang="EN-IE">The ICANN perspective
on .cat’s issuance was cogently
expressed by Vint, “ICANN asked the
governments of spain and andorra
whether they had any objections and
both responded that they did not
object.” Today, as the Iberian
Peninsular smoulders, I’ll comment
only on the .cat issuance process,
noting that ‘non-objection’ is too
weak a form of approval.</span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<div><span lang="EN-IE">Having witnessed how
ill-prepared New York City was for
the development of the .nyc TLD,
I’ve urged over the past few years
at several ICANN fora that ‘informed
consent’ be adopted as the standard
for approval of geographic and
cultural TLDs. Seemingly to little
avail. </span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<div><span lang="EN-IE">The .cat situation
makes it apparent that ICANN is
playing with fire when they issue
geographic and cultural TLDs. Had
they not been distracted fighting
various wars, I suspect .Kurds would
have been issued and now be playing
a central role in a new regional
realignment, with its impact
measured by battlefield statistics.
</span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<div><span lang="EN-IE">If ICANN can't
institute responsible issuance
standards for geographic and
cultural TLDs, perhaps its time to
remove these life and death digital
resources from its purview. </span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-IE">Tom Lowenhaupt </span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">On 9/22/2017 11:43
AM, Dan York wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Chapter delegates,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">FYI,
yesterday we published a
statement expressing our
concern about measures taken
in Spain to block access to
certain websites and, perhaps
more concerning, to require a
top-level domain (TLD)
operator to engage in content
monitoring and blocking. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">This is
a tense time politically in
Spain with an independence
referendum having been called
for October 1 in the Catalonia
region which the central
Spanish government views as
illegal. We do not want to get
involved in the politics of
the situation, but are
concerned by the manner in
which the Internet is being
restricted. As we have
repeatedly stated, we do not
see Internet blocking /
shutdowns as effective
measures and believe they
cause far more collateral
damage to the economy and
society. </span></p>
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<div>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Please
do note that in developing
this statement Frédéric Donck
and his European Bureau team
did interact directly with
ISOC Catalonia Chapter leaders
to understand the situation
there.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Please
do read and share our
statement:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/news/statements/2017/interne<wbr>t-society-statement-internet-b<wbr>locking-measures-catalonia-spa<wbr>in/</a></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/es/news/declarationes/2017/d<wbr>eclaracion-de-internet-society<wbr>-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-i<wbr>nternet-en-cataluna-espana/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Shared
on social at:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internetso<wbr>ciety/status/91099519640551833<wbr>6</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Regards,</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Dan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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Senior Manager, Content &
Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
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