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      Dear Magi,<br>
      <br>
      Please receive our support and the protest to what happened
      yesterday in Catalonia.<br>
      The violence is not a method for solving problems. <br>
      This is not Europe  where we believed   the human rights of
      possibility to  express<br>
       opinion are  respected. <br>
      <br>
      I suggest, after the TLD sites with .cat become available again
      you to publish the support <br>
      you have received from ISOC chapters  about  <br>
      unacceptability of the violation of the basic Internet service
      rules  - availability of sites that   are not breaking<br>
      the basic publishing rules ( e.g hate speech, pornography ect),
      but were shut down just for political reason(s).<br>
      <br>
      With regards,<br>
      <br>
      Borka Jerman Blažič <br>
      <br>
       <br>
      Magí Lluch-Ariet je 2.10.2017 ob 11:03 napisal:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">Dear colleagues,<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">Thank you very much for all your
          messages of support. Yesterday in Catalonia we lived one of
          the saddest days in Europe in recent times. The violation of
          the basic human rights has gone much more beyond the Internet
          censorship.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">At the Catalan Chapter we'll be
          always working to condemn the violation of ISOC principles and
          support the European democratic values even if the go against
          certain legal frameworks.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">Warmest regards and thanks again for
          your support.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">Magí Lluch-Ariet<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">President of the Catalan Chapter<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-02 4:05 GMT+02:00 Yohanes
          Sumaryo <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:sumaryo@gmail.com" target="_blank">sumaryo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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            <div dir="auto">Our deepest concern to what happen in ISOC
              Catalonia.
              <div dir="auto">Hope all end well.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">Best Regards</div>
              <span class="HOEnZb">
                <div dir="auto">Yohanes Sumaryo</div>
                <div dir="auto">ISOC Jakarta Chapter</div>
                <div dir="auto">Gen Secretary                           
                                                                       
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 2, 2017 3:20 AM,
                    "Ariel Manoff" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:amanoff@vmf.com.ar" target="_blank">amanoff@vmf.com.ar</a>>
                    wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear Brandt,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> I
                              agree with you that the exaggerated
                              nationalisms are very dangerous. On the
                              other hand I believe that the formation of
                              new chapters belonging to minorities or
                              other regional groups are healthy for the
                              Internet ecosystem and we should support
                              the formation of new chapters without
                              producing overlapping. </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hector</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Héctor Ariel
                                  Manoff</span></b><span><br>
                                <b>Vitale, Manoff & Feilbogen<br>
                                </b>Viamonte 1145 10º Piso<br>
                                C1053ABW Buenos Aires<br>
                                República Argentina<br>
                                Te: (54-11) 4371-6100<br>
                                Fax: (54-11) 4371-6365<br>
                                E-mail: </span><span lang="ES"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:amanoff@vmf.com.ar"
                                  target="_blank"><span lang="ES-AR">amanoff@vmf.com.ar</span></a></span><span><br>
                                Web: </span><span><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.vmf.com.ar/"
                                  target="_blank"><span>http://www.vmf.com.ar</span></a></span><span
                                lang="ES"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>****************************</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Esta comunicación
                                tiene como destinatario a la persona o
                                empresa a la cual está dirigida y puede
                                contener información confidencial y
                                reservada. Si el lector de este mensaje
                                no es el destinatario o sus empleados o
                                representantes, deberá proceder a
                                reenviar el presente a su remitente. La
                                distribución, diseminación o copiado de
                                este mensaje podría constituir violación
                                a la ley. </span><span lang="EN-US">Gracias.</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This
                                email and any files transmitted with it
                                are intended only for the use of the
                                individual or entity to which it is
                                addressed, and may contain information
                                that is privileged, confidential, and
                                exempt from disclosure under applicable
                                law. If the reader of this message is
                                not the intended recipient, or the
                                employee or agent responsible for
                                delivering the message to recipient, you
                                are hereby notified that any
                                dissemination, distribution or copying
                                of this communication in error, please
                                notify us immediately by telephone and
                                return the original message to us at the
                                above address. </span><span>Thank you.</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
                                  lang="ES"> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
                                    target="_blank">chapter-delegates-boun<wbr>ces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
                                  <b>En nombre de </b>Brandt Dainow<br>
                                  <b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 29 de
                                  septiembre de 2017 07:39<br>
                                  <b>Para:</b> 'Thomas Lowenhaupt'; <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                                    target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.<wbr>org</a><br>
                                  <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
                                  FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet
                                  blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">+1</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Consultation
                              with only the Catalan chapter, and no
                              other chapter in Spain is clearly
                              inadequate, and possibly even rude to the
                              Spanish chapter.  There is an obvious
                              difference of opinion over the referendum
                              in Spain, and I assume there are ISOC
                              members who hold sincere beliefs on both
                              sides.  To speak to only one party and not
                              others is, at best, politically naïve.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As a
                              resident of Ireland, I have been
                              personally caught up in 5 IRA bomb
                              attacks.  Everyone in Ireland is
                              personally worried about the possibility
                              of a renewal of IRA terrorism.  We all
                              work hard to avoid a return to “the
                              troubles,” as we call those times.  We
                              understand that these could be triggered
                              by many things which an outsider would
                              consider perfectly innocent.  You have to
                              live in Ireland to appreciate the intense
                              sensitivity and how close we all are to a
                              return to violence.  I am not exaggerating
                              when I say the formation of an
                              Irish-language ISOC chapter in Northern
                              Ireland could lead to people being
                              murdered.  The situation really is that
                              sensitive.  I am sure there are many ISOC
                              members whose countries are in a similarly
                              sensitive position.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As I
                              see it, at minimum, ISOC needs to permit
                              anyone who is interested to participate in
                              authorisation of any chapter anywhere, and
                              we need consistent, documented, processes
                              for this.  Alternatively, we need to base
                              regional chapter formations on boundaries
                              created outside ISOC so that such
                              decisions are out of our control.  For
                              example, limiting chapters to nation
                              states recognised by the UN.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">There
                              are many places in the world subject to
                              forces seeking to break existing states;
                              many regions seeking independence, many
                              cultural and language groups seeking
                              better representation.  In some countries,
                              merely identifying a sub-group as existing
                              is controversial or illegal.  As the
                              internet becomes more central to global
                              society, it becomes a place for political
                              contention.  The formation of an ISOC
                              chapter can be used as part of a political
                              campaign by such groups.  I think it
                              extremely dangerous if ISOC becomes
                              another tool in such campaigns.  Clearly
                              ISOC cannot take sides in such campaigns,
                              no matter how justified some members may
                              feel about any given group’s claims.  I am
                              open to alternative suggestions, and only
                              seek to start a conversation, but I think
                              it clear the whole ISOC chapter formation
                              process needs to be reworked.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Regards,</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Brandt
                                Dainow</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow"
                                  target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/p<wbr>rofile/Brandt_Dainow</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow"
                                  target="_blank">http://www.imediaconnection.co<wbr>m/profiles/brandt.dainow</a></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> Chapter-delegates [<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
                                    target="_blank">mailto:chapter-delegates-boun<wbr>ces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Lowenhaupt<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> 29 September 2017 03:35<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.<wbr>org</a><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                  [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC
                                  statement about on Internet blocking
                                  measures in Catalonia, Spain</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-IE">The .cat evolution is
                              something I’ve followed for over a decade.
                              As a proponent of city TLDs and an
                              advocate for the .nyc TLD, the process
                              that enabled .cat’s issuance intrigued me.</span><span
                              lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-IE">The ICANN perspective on
                              .cat’s issuance was cogently expressed by
                              Vint, “ICANN asked the governments of
                              spain and andorra whether they had any
                              objections and both responded that they
                              did not object.” Today, as the Iberian
                              Peninsular smoulders, I’ll comment only on
                              the .cat issuance process, noting that
                              ‘non-objection’ is too weak a form of
                              approval.</span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-IE">Having witnessed how
                              ill-prepared New York City was for the
                              development of the .nyc TLD, I’ve urged
                              over the past few years at several ICANN
                              fora that ‘informed consent’ be adopted as
                              the standard for approval of  geographic
                              and cultural TLDs. Seemingly to little
                              avail. </span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-IE">The .cat situation makes
                              it apparent that ICANN is playing with
                              fire when they issue geographic and
                              cultural TLDs. Had they not been
                              distracted fighting various wars, I
                              suspect .Kurds would have been issued and
                              now be playing a central role in a new
                              regional realignment, with its impact
                              measured by battlefield statistics. </span><span
                              lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-IE">If ICANN can't institute
                              responsible issuance standards for
                              geographic and cultural TLDs, perhaps its
                              time to remove these life and death
                              digital resources from its purview. </span><span
                              lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-IE">Tom Lowenhaupt </span><span
                              lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                          <div class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">On
                                9/22/2017 11:43 AM, Dan York wrote:</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Chapter
                                  delegates,</span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">FYI,
                                    yesterday we published a statement
                                    expressing our concern about
                                    measures taken in Spain to block
                                    access to certain websites and,
                                    perhaps more concerning, to require
                                    a top-level domain (TLD) operator to
                                    engage in content monitoring and
                                    blocking. </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">This
                                    is a tense time politically in Spain
                                    with an independence referendum
                                    having been called for October 1 in
                                    the Catalonia region which the
                                    central Spanish government views as
                                    illegal. We do not want to get
                                    involved in the politics of the
                                    situation, but are concerned by the
                                    manner in which the Internet is
                                    being restricted. As we have
                                    repeatedly stated, we do not see
                                    Internet blocking / shutdowns as
                                    effective measures and believe they
                                    cause far more collateral damage to
                                    the economy and society.  </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Please
                                    do note that in developing this
                                    statement Frédéric Donck and his
                                    European Bureau team did interact
                                    directly with ISOC Catalonia Chapter
                                    leaders to understand the situation
                                    there.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Please
                                    do read and share our statement:</span></p>
                              </div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
                              </div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
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href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/"
                                      target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/news/statements/2017/interne<wbr>t-society-statement-internet-<wbr>blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/"
                                    target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/es/news/declarationes/2017/<wbr>declaracion-de-internet-societ<wbr>y-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-<wbr>internet-en-cataluna-espana/</a>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Shared
                                    on social at:</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336"
                                      target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internetso<wbr>ciety/status/91099519640551833<wbr>6</a></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
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                                      href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239"
                                      target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inter<wbr>netSociety/posts/1015462795954<wbr>8239</a></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-IE">Regards,</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-IE">Dan</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">--<br>
                                    Dan York<br>
                                    Senior Manager, Content &
                                    Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:york@isoc.org"
                                      target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="tel:%28802%29%20735-1624"
                                      value="+18027351624"
                                      target="_blank">+1-802-735-1624</a> <br>
                                    Jabber: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
                                      target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>
                                     Skype: danyork   <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://twitter.com/danyork"
                                      target="_blank">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.internetsociety.org/"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org<wbr>/</a></span></p>
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                            <pre><span lang="EN-IE">______________________________<wbr>_________________</span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-IE">As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed</span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-IE">to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society</span></pre><pre><span lang="EN-IE">Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></span></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p></div></div>
______________________________<wbr>_________________

As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed

to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society

Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a>
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______________________________<wbr>_________________

As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed

to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society

Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a>
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<div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Magí Lluch-Ariet
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>

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Prof.dr.Borka Jerman-Blažič
Head, Laboratory for Open systems and Networks
Jožef Stefan Institute and
Faculty of Economics, Ljubljana University
Slovenia
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