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Dear Magi,<br>
<br>
Please receive our support and the protest to what happened
yesterday in Catalonia.<br>
The violence is not a method for solving problems. <br>
This is not Europe where we believed the human rights of
possibility to express<br>
opinion are respected. <br>
<br>
I suggest, after the TLD sites with .cat become available again
you to publish the support <br>
you have received from ISOC chapters about <br>
unacceptability of the violation of the basic Internet service
rules - availability of sites that are not breaking<br>
the basic publishing rules ( e.g hate speech, pornography ect),
but were shut down just for political reason(s).<br>
<br>
With regards,<br>
<br>
Borka Jerman Blažič <br>
<br>
<br>
Magí Lluch-Ariet je 2.10.2017 ob 11:03 napisal:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Dear colleagues,<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Thank you very much for all your
messages of support. Yesterday in Catalonia we lived one of
the saddest days in Europe in recent times. The violation of
the basic human rights has gone much more beyond the Internet
censorship.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">At the Catalan Chapter we'll be
always working to condemn the violation of ISOC principles and
support the European democratic values even if the go against
certain legal frameworks.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Warmest regards and thanks again for
your support.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Magí Lluch-Ariet<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">President of the Catalan Chapter<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-02 4:05 GMT+02:00 Yohanes
Sumaryo <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sumaryo@gmail.com" target="_blank">sumaryo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Our deepest concern to what happen in ISOC
Catalonia.
<div dir="auto">Hope all end well.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best Regards</div>
<span class="HOEnZb">
<div dir="auto">Yohanes Sumaryo</div>
<div dir="auto">ISOC Jakarta Chapter</div>
<div dir="auto">Gen Secretary
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 2, 2017 3:20 AM,
"Ariel Manoff" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:amanoff@vmf.com.ar" target="_blank">amanoff@vmf.com.ar</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear Brandt,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> I
agree with you that the exaggerated
nationalisms are very dangerous. On the
other hand I believe that the formation of
new chapters belonging to minorities or
other regional groups are healthy for the
Internet ecosystem and we should support
the formation of new chapters without
producing overlapping. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hector</span></p>
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target="_blank"><span lang="ES-AR">amanoff@vmf.com.ar</span></a></span><span><br>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
lang="ES"> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank">chapter-delegates-boun<wbr>ces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>En nombre de </b>Brandt Dainow<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 29 de
septiembre de 2017 07:39<br>
<b>Para:</b> 'Thomas Lowenhaupt'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.<wbr>org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet
blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">+1</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Consultation
with only the Catalan chapter, and no
other chapter in Spain is clearly
inadequate, and possibly even rude to the
Spanish chapter. There is an obvious
difference of opinion over the referendum
in Spain, and I assume there are ISOC
members who hold sincere beliefs on both
sides. To speak to only one party and not
others is, at best, politically naïve.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As a
resident of Ireland, I have been
personally caught up in 5 IRA bomb
attacks. Everyone in Ireland is
personally worried about the possibility
of a renewal of IRA terrorism. We all
work hard to avoid a return to “the
troubles,” as we call those times. We
understand that these could be triggered
by many things which an outsider would
consider perfectly innocent. You have to
live in Ireland to appreciate the intense
sensitivity and how close we all are to a
return to violence. I am not exaggerating
when I say the formation of an
Irish-language ISOC chapter in Northern
Ireland could lead to people being
murdered. The situation really is that
sensitive. I am sure there are many ISOC
members whose countries are in a similarly
sensitive position.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">As I
see it, at minimum, ISOC needs to permit
anyone who is interested to participate in
authorisation of any chapter anywhere, and
we need consistent, documented, processes
for this. Alternatively, we need to base
regional chapter formations on boundaries
created outside ISOC so that such
decisions are out of our control. For
example, limiting chapters to nation
states recognised by the UN.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">There
are many places in the world subject to
forces seeking to break existing states;
many regions seeking independence, many
cultural and language groups seeking
better representation. In some countries,
merely identifying a sub-group as existing
is controversial or illegal. As the
internet becomes more central to global
society, it becomes a place for political
contention. The formation of an ISOC
chapter can be used as part of a political
campaign by such groups. I think it
extremely dangerous if ISOC becomes
another tool in such campaigns. Clearly
ISOC cannot take sides in such campaigns,
no matter how justified some members may
feel about any given group’s claims. I am
open to alternative suggestions, and only
seek to start a conversation, but I think
it clear the whole ISOC chapter formation
process needs to be reworked.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Brandt
Dainow</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"
target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a></span></p>
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href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow"
target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/p<wbr>rofile/Brandt_Dainow</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
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href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow"
target="_blank">http://www.imediaconnection.co<wbr>m/profiles/brandt.dainow</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Chapter-delegates [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank">mailto:chapter-delegates-boun<wbr>ces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Lowenhaupt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 September 2017 03:35<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.<wbr>org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC
statement about on Internet blocking
measures in Catalonia, Spain</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">The .cat evolution is
something I’ve followed for over a decade.
As a proponent of city TLDs and an
advocate for the .nyc TLD, the process
that enabled .cat’s issuance intrigued me.</span><span
lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">The ICANN perspective on
.cat’s issuance was cogently expressed by
Vint, “ICANN asked the governments of
spain and andorra whether they had any
objections and both responded that they
did not object.” Today, as the Iberian
Peninsular smoulders, I’ll comment only on
the .cat issuance process, noting that
‘non-objection’ is too weak a form of
approval.</span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">Having witnessed how
ill-prepared New York City was for the
development of the .nyc TLD, I’ve urged
over the past few years at several ICANN
fora that ‘informed consent’ be adopted as
the standard for approval of geographic
and cultural TLDs. Seemingly to little
avail. </span><span lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">The .cat situation makes
it apparent that ICANN is playing with
fire when they issue geographic and
cultural TLDs. Had they not been
distracted fighting various wars, I
suspect .Kurds would have been issued and
now be playing a central role in a new
regional realignment, with its impact
measured by battlefield statistics. </span><span
lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">If ICANN can't institute
responsible issuance standards for
geographic and cultural TLDs, perhaps its
time to remove these life and death
digital resources from its purview. </span><span
lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-IE">Tom Lowenhaupt </span><span
lang="EN-IE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">On
9/22/2017 11:43 AM, Dan York wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Chapter
delegates,</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">FYI,
yesterday we published a statement
expressing our concern about
measures taken in Spain to block
access to certain websites and,
perhaps more concerning, to require
a top-level domain (TLD) operator to
engage in content monitoring and
blocking. </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">This
is a tense time politically in Spain
with an independence referendum
having been called for October 1 in
the Catalonia region which the
central Spanish government views as
illegal. We do not want to get
involved in the politics of the
situation, but are concerned by the
manner in which the Internet is
being restricted. As we have
repeatedly stated, we do not see
Internet blocking / shutdowns as
effective measures and believe they
cause far more collateral damage to
the economy and society. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Please
do note that in developing this
statement Frédéric Donck and his
European Bureau team did interact
directly with ISOC Catalonia Chapter
leaders to understand the situation
there.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Please
do read and share our statement:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/"
target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/news/statements/2017/interne<wbr>t-society-statement-internet-<wbr>blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><a
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href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/"
target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/es/news/declarationes/2017/<wbr>declaracion-de-internet-societ<wbr>y-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-<wbr>internet-en-cataluna-espana/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Shared
on social at:</span></p>
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href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336"
target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internetso<wbr>ciety/status/91099519640551833<wbr>6</a></span></p>
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href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239"
target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inter<wbr>netSociety/posts/1015462795954<wbr>8239</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-IE">Regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-IE">Dan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">--<br>
Dan York<br>
Senior Manager, Content &
Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
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