<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Minor clarification. DC is not a city but a three state region - Greater Washington Dc Chapter”.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Joyce Dogniez <<a href="mailto:dogniez@isoc.org" class="">dogniez@isoc.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Dear Brandt,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Please allow me to clarify a couple of things here as we are entering a discussion beyond the issue at hand.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Chapters are formed by our community and are made up of members in a geographical area to carry out ISOC’s mission. In some countries, the community decided and applied to set up city based chapters, state, province or national Chapters. It varies widely depending on the region.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">In some cases the community has applied to form multiple chapters in a country to better address their local community needs.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">We actually have quite a few models depending on what the local/national or even regional need is.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">For example we have Quebec (the Province of) and Canada; we have 5 soon to be 6 city based Chapters in India (they collaborate informally when they want to address national issues); we have quite a few city based Chapter in APAC (Pakistan Islamabad Chapter, Bangladesh Dhaka Chapter and a few more) where the community felt the country was too vaste to really engage at local level with members. In the US we have a mix of State (e.g. North Carolina) of city (Washington DC) or even ‘sub’ region (e.g. San Francisco Bay area) based Chapters.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">We (ISOC staff) meet with the Chapters in a given country when possible to encourage collaboration and to see how to best identify common or different issue.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">In the case of Spain, we actually had a meeting with all the Spanish Chapters last year during the Chapter Workshop in Madrid and had a very constructive discussion.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">The current political situation in Spain related to the referendum and the internet related measures has really nothing to do with the way our Chapters are formed as we always do this in a collaborative approach trying to adapt to the local needs and the process includes a full Chapter peer review. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">We are obviously always available to receive feedback or input on how to improve this process and I’m sure the Chapters Advisory Council could be a good vehicle for this kind of discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Warm regards<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Joyce</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>> on behalf of Brandt Dainow <<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" class="">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" class="">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" class="">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, 28 September 2017 at 12:09<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I think ISOC needs to improve the regulations for creating chapters.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I was surprised to find regional chapters in Spain as well as a Spanish chapter. The regulations for creating chapters state:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">“Multiple Chapters serving overlapping communities are not permitted”<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Without commenting on the Catalan referendum in any way, I think most would have assumed the Spanish chapter covered all current Spanish citizens and/or residents.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">But the regulations also say:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">“</span>A Chapter recognizes, honours, and uses the culture, customs, and language of its community.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">– who decides when two communities overlap?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">A chapter is supposed to “</span>serve the interests of a segment of the global Internet community”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">– but what constitutes a “segment” is not defined.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">As far as I can see from the chapters map on the website, there is no USA chapter, so the presence of a Washington, New York and other city-based chapters is not an issue. But most other countries only have a single national chapter, except Spain.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I think the ability to create language-based chapters with the same structure and status as national chapters is significant and creates difficulties, especially as so many countries have multiple language groups. For example, Ireland has a national policy supporting both Irish and English. Both are equally official languages, neither above the other. About 200,000 people in Ireland consider Irish their primary language. There are some regions designated as Irish-only where English-language signs are forbidden. Does this mean we can have an Irish-language chapter and an Irish Nation chapter? If we can have an Irish-language chapter, we must be allowed an English-language chapter, because both languages are considered equal in Irish culture and law. But would the creation of one mean we would be forced to close the national chapter on the basis that it would overlap? In the UK, official languages are Welsh, Gaelic (Scotland) and English? Can we have chapters for each of these language groups? Cornish is also spoken by a few people in England, can they have a Cornish-language chapter? How would these members, all British citizens, not be overlapping with the national UK chapter?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Or is this ability to have sub-national chapters based on region? If so, how big or small does a region have to be to have its own chapter? Ireland has 5 counties, each with a population of less than 1 million. Can we have 5 county-level chapters? Again, as they would overlap with the national chapter, would the creation of a county-level chapter force the closure of the national chapter or would members of that county be forbidden from the national chapter as a way of avoiding overlap? The USA has 51 states – can we have 51 state-level chapters in the USA? And would that forbid the creation of a USA chapter to prevent overlap? And what about cities? We have city-level chapters in the USA. If we can have city-level chapters, how small can a town or village be to permit a chapter? If I live in a village of only 60 people, and they all agree to form a chapter, can we do it? If we do form a village chapter, would that prevent the larger region around us from forming a chapter so as to avoid overlap?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Or can we have chapters based on the national aspirations of a segment of a national population? Northern Ireland is a province of the UK in the island of Ireland. About half the population would like to leave the UK and join Ireland, while the other half would like to remain part of the UK. Can we have a Northern-Ireland-Joins-Ireland chapter? What would that do to the UK chapter?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If we allow chapters covering regions or languages whose members could also be considered members of a larger chapter, can we have a men’s-only chapter and a women-only chapter? Each can be described as having unique issues in the internet. Or a chapter for priests? Or a chapter only for famous people (who also have unique internet issues)? Maybe a chapter for Youtubers or Facebook users?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It seems to me the requirement to avoid overlap and to fail to define a “segment” creates more difficulties than we can solve. We should get more precise about the basis for creating chapters.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">At the same time, these emails seem to indicate some members did not agree with the formation of the Cat chapter. But I cannot find any regulations about the process of approving chapter formation. Who gets to decide if a chapter application should be approved? How public is that process? What is the process for notifying members that a chapter has applied to be formed? What time is allowed for others to protest or make submissions against the formation of that chapter? What is the procedure for this? If someone disagrees with the decision to permit or forbid the creation of a chapter, what is the appeals process? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The current situation in Spain indicates to me that our procedures for chapter formation are inadequate for a world in which politics and social movements are intimately involved with the internet. I think we need a robust debate leading to a much more transparent, open and clear set of procedures and regulations for chapter formation. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Brandt Dainow</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Irish Chapter</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" class="">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Alejandro Pisanty<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>28 September 2017 02:33<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Evan Leibovitch<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ISOC Chapter Delegates<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Evan,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">facts wrong, opinion wrong, and not asking questions brings with it the sad consequence of not getting answers (but maybe that would be a useless effort, right?) We will all have to rely on the official record now, which fully belies your statements and adjectives.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">It is sad that you have chosen an approach so able to add to the divisiveness that this issue has already engendered. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Alejandro Pisanty<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(11, 83, 148);" class="">It didn't hurt that .CAT's most energetic champion sat on the ICANN Board for four years. The application for .CAT was initiated, coincidentally, very soon after his term on the Board expired.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(11, 83, 148);" class="">A casual observer of domains at the time would be astonished that of all the indigenous and distinct cultural societies in the world without their own country, ICANN uniquely sought TLD treatment for this one without any public consultation. The fact that this odd TLD was also grotesquely confusing with a very common English-language word further compounded the puzzle. Whether or not there was any insider preferential treatment going on within ICANN to make .CAT happen, it massively appeared that way from the outside. The delegation made so little logical sense otherwise.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(11, 83, 148);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(11, 83, 148);" class="">- Evan</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br class="">to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br class="">Chapter Portal (AMS):<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://portal.isoc.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br class=""> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br class="">Facultad de Química UNAM<br class="">Av. 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