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<div class="">Dear Josu Aramberri: </div>
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<div class="">Thank you very much for your communication. </div>
<div class="">While I could answer this with the formality that a communication like yours deserves, let me share with you, with your colleagues from the Spanish Chapter (ISOC-ES) and with our Chapters community some first and quick reactions:</div>
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<div class="">Yes, we know that this is a highly sensitive issue and we tried to be careful dealing with it. </div>
<div class="">We have no intention at all of being part of the controversy around the referendum or even less, being part of the discussion about the independence of a region from a country. </div>
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<div class="">Frédéric’s blog is not of course just his personal view and it went out with my knowledge, so I assume the full responsibility on that. </div>
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<div class=""> “…….<span style="color: rgb(12, 28, 44); font-family: Hind, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">TLD operators within the Internet’s ecosystem to engage in monitoring and blocking of content outside of
receiving judicial requests related to specific domains"</span></div>
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<div class="">We think is absolutely valid that the judicial system, based on due processes, take measures for dealing with content that could be considered illegal. And note that we are not entering in the discussion about the legality of illegally of the
contents involved in these measures. Usually the matter of concern how that is done and implemented. </div>
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<div class="">Our other concern is about the proportionality of the measure: “….<span style="color: rgb(12, 28, 44); font-family: Hind, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">we stressed that network blocking measures
are generally ineffective, and tend to create collateral damage, including the overblocking of lawful content and expression"</span></div>
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<div class="">Withe regard to why the other Spanish chapters were not consulted is exactly because we tried to deal with this issue in a very cautious way, based on our principles, and not as a political matter. It was not supposed to be a discussion between
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<div class="">It seems that approach has been already overtaken by facts, and so, of course, we will be glad to have a discussion with all of the chapters from Spain, including of course the Catalan chapter about this issue. </div>
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<div class="">I would be very glad to correct any lack of accuracy of our statement if needed while remaining committed to the principles we defend everyday and we have defended in other situations. </div>
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<div class="">El 25 set. 2017, a las 15:43, Josu Aramberri <<a href="mailto:jaramberri@i2basque.eus" class="">jaramberri@i2basque.eus</a>> escribió:</div>
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<div class="">We at ISOC-ES have been watching with increased concern the recent developments regarding the situation derived from actions carried out by the Spanish and Catalan governments and their effect on the Internet in Spain.</div>
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<div class="">ISOC-ES has a long tradition of supporting open access to the Internet, within the realm of the legitimate law, as well as of working together with other chapters and the Internet Society Corporation. It is with great sadness that we read a communiqué
[1] from the Internet Society’s European Bureau about events taking place in Spain which has been developed exclusively with the ISOC-CAT chapter leaders.</div>
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<div class="">We regret the total absence of communication whatsoever with the ISOC-ES and other Spain-based chapters except ISOC-CAT. We consider this to be beyond simple bad form, exceeding the competences of the European Bureau and leads us to question the
judgement of the European Bureau and its director, having produced a non-contrasted document in a departure from ISOC’s consensus-based, multistakeholder development of positions.</div>
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<div class="">As you are aware, Spain is an internationally recognized democracy with a Constitution overwhelmingly approved in referendum by the citizens of all regions of Spain including Catalonia [2], and a corresponding body of law.</div>
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<div class="">Contrary to what the European Bureau’s note seems to imply, there is no, nor has there ever been, generic blockage of Internet access or communication in any language, with access and discussion of any political views being totally unrestricted.
There is specifically no barrier to freedom of speech on social networks or any other Internet communication in Spain and in particular no restriction to the use of the Catalan language.</div>
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<div class="">In recent days we have observed the following:</div>
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<li class="">The ISP-level blocking order barring normal access to certain websites that are illegal according to Spanish law, as determined by the pertinent courts, specifically those directly related to the logistics of the referendum, which has been found
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This is normal and accepted procedure under European Law.</li><li class="">A court order requesting the blocking of certain domains at the TLD registry level. The contents of this court order are unknown to us at this time due to the ongoing nature of the process and therefore we can only manifest that access to .cat
domains and content under those domains continues to be possible.</li><li class="">At this time, we withhold comment on the court-ordered detention of members of the technical staff of the puntCat foundation as we have not yet gained an understanding of the nature of the accusations and whether they are of a personal or institutional
character, given the process is still ongoing and we have no reason to believe it is not following the rule of law. We are gravely concerned that individual actions contrary to the law under which the Foundation is incorporated might put an Internet registry
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<div class="">Given the above points, we believe the sort of undertaking initiated by the European Bureau is inaccurate, irresponsible and biased. It directly and very negatively affects the Internet Society’s neutrality and position as a respected source of
information on Internet Governance.</div>
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<div class="">For all of the above reasons we request a rectification and apology from the Director of the Internet Society’s European Bureau for issuing premature statements, carried out without consultation with relevant parties, in particular all ISOC chapters
in Spain, and which therefore constitutes a biased and incomplete account, outside the Internet Society’s line of action.</div>
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<div class="">We request that future communications rely on input from ISOC chapters, as Internet Society’s stakeholders, to produce a consensus position with as much contrasted information as possible.</div>
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<div class="">From our point of view the Internet Society, in the development of its mission, namely the development of the Internet, must always facilitate dialogue amongst all people, seek concord and the search for truth. We strongly demand that the Internet
Society will continue to be a source of progress and unity, and not a source of unnecessary conflict and divisiveness.</div>
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<div class="">[1]<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/" class="">https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/</a></div>
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<span id="cid:48bbef67-7d12-4af8-b8f4-31f1f14c7d5a@namprd06.prod.outlook.com" class=""><Declaración institucional ISOC-ES en respuesta al comunicado de la Oficina Regional Europea de la Internet Society.pdf></span></div>
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