<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
I fully agree with Dave. <br>
<br>
The study we did with Freedom house, three years ago in 12
countries in the Far and Middle East and Mediterranean known to<br>
not respect human rights and do interception and internet content
blocking we found that their<br>
citizens with exception of Oman, Saudi Arabia and China do not
trust at all to their governments, <br>
mobile internet service providers and different agencies that
control the market. They were well<br>
aware about site blocking. (For more information you can read <br>
about the study and why these three countries citizens have shown
more trust than others on the enclosed bellow<br>
reference). Hijacking domain name services for taking over the TLD
.cat in an European country is a serious attack<br>
to the human rights and the basic principles of running internet
service. Simply, it is unbearable.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Borka<br>
<br>
<a name="8"></a> CALLANAN, Cormac, JERMAN-BLAŽIČ, Borka, JERMAN
BLAŽIČ, Andrej. User awareness and tolerance of privacy abuse on
mobile internet : an exploratory study. <i>Telematics and
informatics : an international journal on telecommunications
& information technology</i>, ISSN 0736-5853, 2016, vol. 33,
iss. 1, str. 109-128, doi: <a class="red"
href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tele.2015.04.009" target="doi">10.1016/j.tele.2015.04.009</a>.<br>
<br>
<a name="12"><b> </b></a> CALLANAN, Cormac, JERMAN-BLAŽIČ, Borka.
User understanding of privacy in emerging mobile markets. <i>IEEE
technology & society magazine</i>, ISSN 0278-0097, 2014,
vol. 33, no. 4, str. 48-56, doi: <a class="red"
href="https://doi.org/10.1109/MTS.2014.2363977" target="doi">10.1109/MTS.2014.2363977</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Dave Burstein je 25.9.2017 ob 18:43 napisal:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAAUuzMSU8t+F-2TJZiiUFVGxcXbWmQ1JhzdUG18c6Xrya=JZFQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Context-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default">The Spanish government is hijacking
the domain name service to take over selected domains in .cat.
This is the most serious DNS takeover for political reasons
I've ever encountered. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">So while Brandt is correct this isn't
the same thing as blocking the Internet, this is very serious.
It's exactly what some feared would happen if the ITU had more
power.</div>
<div class="gmail_default">--------------</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">The interesting question is what
should ISOC do besides putting out a statement?</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">I suggest immediately allocating
$3,000 to be spent by the local chapter to publicize our
stand. That would cover $1,000 for a hotel room for a press
conference, $1,000 for a local publicist, and $1,000 for
related expenses. All to be carefully reported and returned if
not used. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Two reasons to do things this way: </div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">1) It will be far more credible if
led by local people.</div>
<div class="gmail_default">2) Our last few stands on related
issues got minimal pickup. We're not set up to have impact
from D.C. In this case, like the Brazilian one, we clearly
have local chapters who can get the word out.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Dave Burstein</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 12:27 PM,
Brandt Dainow <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>I think it is important to nuance this issue. The
court order was not really about blocking the internet.
It was part of the government's attempts to prevent
publication, in print or online, about the referendum.
Other people have been arrested, such as printers and
people who were going to distribute ballot papers. So
the government is not so much blocking the internet as
blocking a certain type of information in all its
forms. Not blocking it on the internet would have been,
in this sense, inconsistent - effectively saying "no" to
hard copy, but "yes" to online versions. Also, this
court order only applied to the .cat domain, not to
other internet sources.<br>
<br>
</div>
I am not defending the government's postion here, but I
don't think we can see this as a simple case of blocking
the internet, and I think ISOC should be extremely
cautious about getting involved. The spanish government's
position is that the referendum is illegal and they have a
duty to prevent it. Objecting to blocking internet access
without objecting to the other government activity is like
saying the normal rules about what is illegal or not
shouldn't be applied to the internet. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 September 2017 at
14:23, Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote">To some extent it is
irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted<br>
blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The
principles that underpin<br>
ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld
registry and<br>
underlying infrastructures that was so treated.<br>
<br>
The issue is serious. But I'm not sure how far
this particular incident<br>
can continue to travel in the wrong direction.<br>
<br>
To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional
pollution where spanish<br>
authorities may issue european arrest warrants on
technical managers of<br>
parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers
are identified already<br>
by law enforcement and security interests in UK
for instance)?<br>
<br>
It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove
to arresting<br>
authorities such warrants from another
jurisdiction are not warranted or<br>
politically motivated.<br>
<br>
<br>
C<br>
<br>
<br>
vinton cerf wrote:<br>
> they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan
language and culture.<br>
> ICANN asked the governments of spain and
andorra whether they had any<br>
> objections and both responded that they did
not object.<br>
><br>
> v<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr
Pastukhov<br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt"
target="_blank">opastukhov@sec.research.um.ed<wbr>u.mt</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt"
target="_blank">opastukhov@sec.researc<wbr>h.um.edu.mt</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> Could someone please enlighten me on how
they managed to get their<br>
> own TLD in the first place?<br>
><br>
> Thank you,<br>
><br>
> Alex<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman
Blazic wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dan, thanks for the information. I
propose all ISOC chapters to<br>
>> express a support to<br>
>> Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in
preventing political<br>
>> intervention in providing<br>
>> basic Internet services like TLD
blocking. TLD "CAT" is<br>
>> recognized and available<br>
>> for many years and blocking the
services and websites with that<br>
>> domain is not acceptable at all,<br>
>> especially not in EU where human
rights where access to Internet<br>
>> is recognizes as part of<br>
>> them by UN, is respected as the
highest value of the European<br>
>> society.<br>
>><br>
>> With regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Borka<br>
>><br>
>> ISOC SI<br>
>><br>
>> Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017
ob 18:44 napisal:<br>
>>> It's a good statement.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Worth also mentioning and keeping
in mind that Pep Masoliver the<br>
>>> technical manager for the
registry operator of .cat was arrested<br>
>>> during<br>
>>> the raid by the Guardia Civile.
This means the event has more<br>
>>> serious<br>
>>> implications for the technical
community than if this was a<br>
>>> comparatively simple case of
attempted or actual content<br>
>>> blocking by the<br>
>>> Spanish authorities of some or
all catalan websites.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Christian<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dan York wrote:<br>
>>>> Chapter delegates,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> FYI, yesterday we published a
statement expressing our concern<br>
>>>> about<br>
>>>> measures taken in Spain to
block access to certain websites and,<br>
>>>> perhaps more concerning, to
require a top-level domain (TLD)<br>
>>>> operator<br>
>>>> to engage in content
monitoring and blocking.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is a tense time
politically in Spain with an independence<br>
>>>> referendum having been called
for October 1 in the Catalonia<br>
>>>> region<br>
>>>> which the central Spanish
government views as illegal. We do<br>
>>>> not want<br>
>>>> to get involved in the
politics of the situation, but are<br>
>>>> concerned by<br>
>>>> the manner in which the
Internet is being restricted. As we have<br>
>>>> repeatedly stated, we do not
see Internet blocking / shutdowns as<br>
>>>> effective measures and
believe they cause far more collateral<br>
>>>> damage<br>
>>>> to the economy and society.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please do note that in
developing this statement Frédéric Donck<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> his European Bureau team did
interact directly with ISOC Catalonia<br>
>>>> Chapter leaders to understand
the situation there.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please do read and share our
statement:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.o<wbr>rg/news/statements/2017/intern<wbr>et-society-statement-internet-<wbr>blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a><br>
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/news/statements/2017/inter<wbr>net-society-statement-internet<wbr>-blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.o<wbr>rg/es/news/declarationes/2017/<wbr>declaracion-de-internet-societ<wbr>y-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-<wbr>internet-en-cataluna-espana/</a><br>
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/es/news/declarationes/2017<wbr>/declaracion-de-internet-socie<wbr>ty-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-<wbr>de-internet-en-cataluna-<wbr>espana/</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Shared on social at:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internets<wbr>ociety/status/9109951964055183<wbr>36</a><br>
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internet<wbr>society/status/910995196405518<wbr>336</a>><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inte<wbr>rnetSociety/posts/101546279595<wbr>48239</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inte<wbr>rnetSociety/posts/101546279595<wbr>48239</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>> Dan<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Dan York<br>
>>>> Senior Manager, Content &
Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1-802-735-1624"
value="+18027351624" target="_blank">+1-802-735-1624</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:%28802%29%20735-1624"><tel:%28802%29%20735-1624></a><br>
>>>> Jabber: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> Skype: danyork <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/danyork"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetsociety.org/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetsociety.org/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
>>>> As an Internet Society
Chapter Officer you are automatically<br>
>>>> subscribed<br>
>>>> to this list, which is
regularly synchronized with the Internet<br>
>>>> Society<br>
>>>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
>> As an Internet Society Chapter
Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
>> to this list, which is regularly
synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer
you are automatically<br>
> subscribed<br>
> to this list, which is regularly
synchronized with the Internet<br>
> Society<br>
> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you
are automatically subscribed<br>
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized
with the Internet Society<br>
> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
<br>
--<br>
Christian de Larrinaga FBCS, CITP,<br>
-------------------------<br>
@ FirstHand<br>
-------------------------<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B44%207989%20386778"
value="+447989386778" target="_blank">+44 7989
386778</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a><br>
-------------------------<br>
<br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
automatically subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with
the Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<span class="HOEnZb">-- <br>
<div class="m_3245732777519644606gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"
target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a></div>
</span></div>
<br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically
subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Editor, Fast Net News,
WIreless One.news, Net Policy News and DSL Prime<br>
Author with Jennie Bourne DSL (Wiley) and Web
Video: Making It Great, Getting It Noticed
(Peachpit)</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
Prof.dr.Borka Jerman-Blažič
Head, Laboratory for Open systems and Networks
Jožef Stefan Institute and
Faculty of Economics, Ljubljana University
Slovenia
tel. +386 1 477 3408
tel. +386 1 477 3756
mob. +386 41 678 410</div>
</body>
</html>