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      I fully agree with Dave. <br>
      <br>
      The study we did with Freedom house, three years ago  in 12
      countries in the Far and Middle  East and Mediterranean known to<br>
      not respect human rights and do interception and internet content
      blocking  we  found that their<br>
      citizens with exception of Oman, Saudi Arabia and China do not
      trust at all to their governments, <br>
      mobile internet service providers and different agencies that
      control the market. They were  well<br>
      aware about site blocking.  (For more information you can read <br>
      about the study and why these three countries citizens have shown
      more trust than others on the enclosed bellow<br>
      reference). Hijacking domain name services for taking over the TLD
      .cat in an European country is a serious attack<br>
      to the human rights and the basic principles of running internet
      service. Simply, it is unbearable.<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      <br>
      Borka<br>
      <br>
      <a name="8"></a> CALLANAN, Cormac, JERMAN-BLAŽIČ, Borka, JERMAN
      BLAŽIČ, Andrej. User awareness and tolerance of privacy abuse on
      mobile internet : an exploratory study. <i>Telematics and
        informatics : an international journal on telecommunications
        & information technology</i>, ISSN 0736-5853, 2016, vol. 33,
      iss. 1, str. 109-128, doi: <a class="red"
        href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tele.2015.04.009" target="doi">10.1016/j.tele.2015.04.009</a>.<br>
       <br>
      <a name="12"><b> </b></a> CALLANAN, Cormac, JERMAN-BLAŽIČ, Borka.
      User understanding of privacy in emerging mobile markets. <i>IEEE
        technology & society magazine</i>, ISSN 0278-0097, 2014,
      vol. 33, no. 4, str. 48-56, doi: <a class="red"
        href="https://doi.org/10.1109/MTS.2014.2363977" target="doi">10.1109/MTS.2014.2363977</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Dave Burstein je 25.9.2017 ob 18:43 napisal:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">The Spanish government is hijacking
          the domain name service to take over selected domains in .cat.
          This is the most serious DNS takeover for political reasons
          I've ever encountered. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">So while Brandt is correct this isn't
          the same thing as blocking the Internet, this is very serious.
          It's exactly what some feared would happen if the ITU had more
          power.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default">--------------</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">The interesting question is what
          should ISOC do besides putting out a statement?</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">I suggest immediately allocating
          $3,000 to be spent by the local chapter to publicize our
          stand. That would cover $1,000 for a hotel room for a press
          conference, $1,000 for a local publicist, and $1,000 for
          related expenses. All to be carefully reported and returned if
          not used. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">Two reasons to do things this way: </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">1) It will be far more credible if
          led by local people.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default">2) Our last few stands on related
          issues got minimal pickup. We're not set up to have impact
          from D.C. In this case, like the Brazilian one, we clearly
          have local chapters who can get the word out.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">Dave Burstein</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 12:27 PM,
          Brandt Dainow <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>I think it is important to nuance this issue.  The
                court order was not really about blocking the internet. 
                It was part of the government's attempts to prevent
                publication, in print or online, about the referendum. 
                Other people have been arrested, such as printers and
                people who were going to distribute ballot papers.  So
                the government is not so much blocking the internet as
                blocking a certain type of information in all its
                forms.  Not blocking it on the internet would have been,
                in this sense, inconsistent - effectively saying "no" to
                hard copy, but "yes" to online versions.  Also, this
                court order only applied to the .cat domain, not to
                other internet sources.<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              I am not defending the government's postion here, but I
              don't think we can see this as a simple case of blocking
              the internet, and I think ISOC should be extremely
              cautious about getting involved.  The spanish government's
              position is that the referendum is illegal and they have a
              duty to prevent it.  Objecting to blocking internet access
              without objecting to the other government activity is like
              saying the normal rules about what is illegal or not
              shouldn't be applied to the internet. <br>
            </div>
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                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 25 September 2017 at
                    14:23, Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote">To some extent it is
                      irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted<br>
                      blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The
                      principles that underpin<br>
                      ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld
                      registry and<br>
                      underlying infrastructures that was so treated.<br>
                      <br>
                      The issue is serious.  But I'm not sure how far
                      this particular incident<br>
                      can continue to travel in the wrong direction.<br>
                      <br>
                      To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional
                      pollution where spanish<br>
                      authorities may issue european arrest warrants on
                      technical managers of<br>
                      parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers
                      are identified already<br>
                      by law enforcement and security interests in UK
                      for instance)?<br>
                      <br>
                      It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove
                      to arresting<br>
                      authorities such warrants from another
                      jurisdiction are not warranted or<br>
                      politically motivated.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      C<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      vinton cerf wrote:<br>
                      > they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan
                      language and culture.<br>
                      > ICANN asked the governments of spain and
                      andorra whether they had any<br>
                      > objections and both responded that they did
                      not object.<br>
                      ><br>
                      > v<br>
                      ><br>
                      ><br>
                      > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr
                      Pastukhov<br>
                      > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt"
                        target="_blank">opastukhov@sec.research.um.ed<wbr>u.mt</a><br>
                      > <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt"
                        target="_blank">opastukhov@sec.researc<wbr>h.um.edu.mt</a>>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      ><br>
                      >     Hello all,<br>
                      ><br>
                      >     Could someone please enlighten me on how
                      they managed to get their<br>
                      >     own TLD in the first place?<br>
                      ><br>
                      >     Thank you,<br>
                      ><br>
                      >     Alex<br>
                      ><br>
                      ><br>
                      >     On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman
                      Blazic wrote:<br>
                      >><br>
                      >>     Dan, thanks for the information. I 
                      propose all ISOC chapters to<br>
                      >>     express  a support to<br>
                      >>     Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in
                      preventing political<br>
                      >>     intervention in providing<br>
                      >>     basic Internet services like TLD
                      blocking. TLD "CAT" is<br>
                      >>     recognized and available<br>
                      >>     for many years and blocking the 
                      services and websites with that<br>
                      >>     domain is not acceptable at all,<br>
                      >>     especially not in EU where human
                      rights where access to Internet<br>
                      >>     is recognizes as part of<br>
                      >>     them by UN,  is respected as the
                      highest value of the European<br>
                      >>     society.<br>
                      >><br>
                      >>     With regards,<br>
                      >><br>
                      >>     Borka<br>
                      >><br>
                      >>     ISOC SI<br>
                      >><br>
                      >>     Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017
                      ob 18:44 napisal:<br>
                      >>>     It's a good statement.<br>
                      >>><br>
                      >>>     Worth also mentioning and keeping
                      in mind that Pep Masoliver the<br>
                      >>>     technical manager for the
                      registry operator of .cat was arrested<br>
                      >>>     during<br>
                      >>>     the raid by the Guardia Civile.
                      This means the event has more<br>
                      >>>     serious<br>
                      >>>     implications for the technical
                      community than if this was a<br>
                      >>>     comparatively simple case of
                      attempted or actual content<br>
                      >>>     blocking by the<br>
                      >>>     Spanish authorities of some or
                      all catalan websites.<br>
                      >>><br>
                      >>><br>
                      >>>     Christian<br>
                      >>><br>
                      >>>     Dan York wrote:<br>
                      >>>>     Chapter delegates,<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     FYI, yesterday we published a
                      statement expressing our concern<br>
                      >>>>     about<br>
                      >>>>     measures taken in Spain to
                      block access to certain websites and,<br>
                      >>>>     perhaps more concerning, to
                      require a top-level domain (TLD)<br>
                      >>>>     operator<br>
                      >>>>     to engage in content
                      monitoring and blocking.<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     This is a tense time
                      politically in Spain with an independence<br>
                      >>>>     referendum having been called
                      for October 1 in the Catalonia<br>
                      >>>>     region<br>
                      >>>>     which the central Spanish
                      government views as illegal. We do<br>
                      >>>>     not want<br>
                      >>>>     to get involved in the
                      politics of the situation, but are<br>
                      >>>>     concerned by<br>
                      >>>>     the manner in which the
                      Internet is being restricted. As we have<br>
                      >>>>     repeatedly stated, we do not
                      see Internet blocking / shutdowns as<br>
                      >>>>     effective measures and
                      believe they cause far more collateral<br>
                      >>>>     damage<br>
                      >>>>     to the economy and society.<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     Please do note that in
                      developing this statement Frédéric Donck<br>
                      >>>>     and<br>
                      >>>>     his European Bureau team did
                      interact directly with ISOC Catalonia<br>
                      >>>>     Chapter leaders to understand
                      the situation there.<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     Please do read and share our
                      statement:<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.o<wbr>rg/news/statements/2017/intern<wbr>et-society-statement-internet-<wbr>blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a><br>
                      >>>>     <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/news/statements/2017/inter<wbr>net-society-statement-internet<wbr>-blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.o<wbr>rg/es/news/declarationes/2017/<wbr>declaracion-de-internet-societ<wbr>y-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-<wbr>internet-en-cataluna-espana/</a><br>
                      >>>>     <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/es/news/declarationes/2017<wbr>/declaracion-de-internet-socie<wbr>ty-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-<wbr>de-internet-en-cataluna-<wbr>espana/</a>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     Shared on social at:<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internets<wbr>ociety/status/9109951964055183<wbr>36</a><br>
                      >>>>     <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internet<wbr>society/status/910995196405518<wbr>336</a>><br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inte<wbr>rnetSociety/posts/101546279595<wbr>48239</a>
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inte<wbr>rnetSociety/posts/101546279595<wbr>48239</a>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     Regards,<br>
                      >>>>     Dan<br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     --<br>
                      >>>>     Dan York<br>
                      >>>>     Senior Manager, Content &
                      Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>
                      <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>>
                      <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>><br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:%2B1-802-735-1624"
                        value="+18027351624" target="_blank">+1-802-735-1624</a>
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:%28802%29%20735-1624"><tel:%28802%29%20735-1624></a><br>
                      >>>>     Jabber: <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
                        target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>
                      <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
                        target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br>
                      >>>>     <mailto:<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org"
                        target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br>
                      >>>>       Skype: danyork   <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://twitter.com/danyork"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.internetsociety.org/"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/</a>
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.internetsociety.org/"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/</a>><br>
                      >>>><br>
                      >>>>     _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
                      >>>>     As an Internet Society
                      Chapter Officer you are automatically<br>
                      >>>>     subscribed<br>
                      >>>>     to this list, which is
                      regularly synchronized with the Internet<br>
                      >>>>     Society<br>
                      >>>>     Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
                        target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                      >><br>
                      >><br>
                      >><br>
                      >><br>
                      >>     _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
                      >>     As an Internet Society Chapter
                      Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
                      >>     to this list, which is regularly
                      synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
                      >>     Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer"
                        target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                      ><br>
                      ><br>
                      >     _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
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Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>
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