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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">El 26 sept 2017, a las 10:20, Borka Jerman Blazic <<a href="mailto:borka@e5.ijs.si" class="">borka@e5.ijs.si</a>> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think that in the world were Human
rights have the highest value as is claimed for EU (and Spain is<br class="">
an EU MS) the only cases when internet site/content blocking is<br class="">
tolerated is the hate speech that includes racism, terrorism,
criminal matters, offence, insult to, human and arms smuggling,
or similar content. <br class="">
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I believe that nothing similar was found in the Catalonian sites
that were blocked. <br class="">
Catalonia is a part of Spain and the population there can decide
about their own referendum, so <br class="">
it is difficult this to be considered as "illegal". It is people
voice. <br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
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Borka<br class="">
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Brandt Dainow je 25.9.2017 ob 18:27 napisal:<br class="">
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<div class="">I think it is important to nuance this issue. The court
order was not really about blocking the internet. It was part
of the government's attempts to prevent publication, in print
or online, about the referendum. Other people have been
arrested, such as printers and people who were going to
distribute ballot papers. So the government is not so much
blocking the internet as blocking a certain type of
information in all its forms. Not blocking it on the internet
would have been, in this sense, inconsistent - effectively
saying "no" to hard copy, but "yes" to online versions. Also,
this court order only applied to the .cat domain, not to other
internet sources.<br class="">
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I am not defending the government's postion here, but I don't
think we can see this as a simple case of blocking the internet,
and I think ISOC should be extremely cautious about getting
involved. The spanish government's position is that the
referendum is illegal and they have a duty to prevent it.
Objecting to blocking internet access without objecting to the
other government activity is like saying the normal rules about
what is illegal or not shouldn't be applied to the internet. <br class="">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 September 2017 at 14:23,
Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank" class="">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote">To some extent it is
irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted<br class="">
blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The principles that
underpin<br class="">
ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld registry
and<br class="">
underlying infrastructures that was so treated.<br class="">
<br class="">
The issue is serious. But I'm not sure how far this
particular incident<br class="">
can continue to travel in the wrong direction.<br class="">
<br class="">
To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional pollution
where spanish<br class="">
authorities may issue european arrest warrants on technical
managers of<br class="">
parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers are
identified already<br class="">
by law enforcement and security interests in UK for
instance)?<br class="">
<br class="">
It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove to
arresting<br class="">
authorities such warrants from another jurisdiction are not
warranted or<br class="">
politically motivated.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
C<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
vinton cerf wrote:<br class="">
> they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan language
and culture.<br class="">
> ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra
whether they had any<br class="">
> objections and both responded that they did not object.<br class="">
><br class="">
> v<br class="">
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> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr Pastukhov<br class="">
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt" class="">opastukhov@sec.research.um.<wbr class="">edu.mt</a><br class="">
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt" class="">opastukhov@sec.<wbr class="">research.um.edu.mt</a>>>
wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Hello all,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Could someone please enlighten me on how they
managed to get their<br class="">
> own TLD in the first place?<br class="">
><br class="">
> Thank you,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Alex<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Dan, thanks for the information. I propose all
ISOC chapters to<br class="">
>> express a support to<br class="">
>> Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in
preventing political<br class="">
>> intervention in providing<br class="">
>> basic Internet services like TLD blocking. TLD
"CAT" is<br class="">
>> recognized and available<br class="">
>> for many years and blocking the services and
websites with that<br class="">
>> domain is not acceptable at all,<br class="">
>> especially not in EU where human rights where
access to Internet<br class="">
>> is recognizes as part of<br class="">
>> them by UN, is respected as the highest value
of the European<br class="">
>> society.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> With regards,<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Borka<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> ISOC SI<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017 ob 18:44
napisal:<br class="">
>>> It's a good statement.<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> Worth also mentioning and keeping in mind
that Pep Masoliver the<br class="">
>>> technical manager for the registry operator
of .cat was arrested<br class="">
>>> during<br class="">
>>> the raid by the Guardia Civile. This means
the event has more<br class="">
>>> serious<br class="">
>>> implications for the technical community
than if this was a<br class="">
>>> comparatively simple case of attempted or
actual content<br class="">
>>> blocking by the<br class="">
>>> Spanish authorities of some or all catalan
websites.<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> Christian<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> Dan York wrote:<br class="">
>>>> Chapter delegates,<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> FYI, yesterday we published a statement
expressing our concern<br class="">
>>>> about<br class="">
>>>> measures taken in Spain to block access
to certain websites and,<br class="">
>>>> perhaps more concerning, to require a
top-level domain (TLD)<br class="">
>>>> operator<br class="">
>>>> to engage in content monitoring and
blocking.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> This is a tense time politically in
Spain with an independence<br class="">
>>>> referendum having been called for
October 1 in the Catalonia<br class="">
>>>> region<br class="">
>>>> which the central Spanish government
views as illegal. We do<br class="">
>>>> not want<br class="">
>>>> to get involved in the politics of the
situation, but are<br class="">
>>>> concerned by<br class="">
>>>> the manner in which the Internet is
being restricted. As we have<br class="">
>>>> repeatedly stated, we do not see
Internet blocking / shutdowns as<br class="">
>>>> effective measures and believe they
cause far more collateral<br class="">
>>>> damage<br class="">
>>>> to the economy and society.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Please do note that in developing this
statement Frédéric Donck<br class="">
>>>> and<br class="">
>>>> his European Bureau team did interact
directly with ISOC Catalonia<br class="">
>>>> Chapter leaders to understand the
situation there.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Please do read and share our statement:<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr class="">org/news/statements/2017/<wbr class="">internet-society-statement-<wbr class="">internet-blocking-measures-<wbr class="">catalonia-spain/</a><br class="">
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr class="">org/news/statements/2017/<wbr class="">internet-society-statement-<wbr class="">internet-blocking-measures-<wbr class="">catalonia-spain/</a>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr class="">org/es/news/declarationes/<wbr class="">2017/declaracion-de-internet-<wbr class="">society-sobre-medidas-de-<wbr class="">bloqueo-de-internet-en-<wbr class="">cataluna-espana/</a><br class="">
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr class="">org/es/news/declarationes/<wbr class="">2017/declaracion-de-internet-<wbr class="">society-sobre-medidas-de-<wbr class="">bloqueo-de-internet-en-<wbr class="">cataluna-espana/</a>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Shared on social at:<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://twitter.com/<wbr class="">internetsociety/status/<wbr class="">910995196405518336</a><br class="">
>>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://twitter.com/<wbr class="">internetsociety/status/<wbr class="">910995196405518336</a>><br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr class="">InternetSociety/posts/<wbr class="">10154627959548239</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr class="">InternetSociety/posts/<wbr class="">10154627959548239</a>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Regards,<br class="">
>>>> Dan<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> --<br class="">
>>>> Dan York<br class="">
>>>> Senior Manager, Content & Web
Strategy, Internet Society<br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@isoc.org" class="">york@isoc.org</a> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@isoc.org" class="">york@isoc.org</a>>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@isoc.org" class="">york@isoc.org</a>><br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1-802-735-1624" value="+18027351624" class="">+1-802-735-1624</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:%28802%29%20735-1624"><tel:%28802%29%20735-1624></a><br class="">
>>>> Jabber: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" class="">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" class="">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br class="">
>>>> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" class="">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br class="">
>>>> Skype: danyork <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://twitter.com/danyork" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.internetsociety.<wbr class="">org/</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.internetsociety.<wbr class="">org/</a>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
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