<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Dear Brandt,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Thank you very much for your message. You're right about the scope of the measures that is not limited to Internet. Ads and official information about the referendum are also banned in press media TV and radio. Specifically in Internet the measures had impact on webs like <a href="http://referendum.cat">referendum.cat</a> or <a href="http://garanties.cat">garanties.cat</a> among others which content has been simply replaced by a note from the Spanish police, and also blocking access to mirrors hosted abroad, like <a href="http://www.ref1oct.eu">www.ref1oct.eu</a> that are not accessible for Internet users connected through the main Spanish telcos. These measures include blocking proxy servers that allow indirect access to those contents, and more than this, a request to .cat registrant to monitor the content of all web sites to prevent that no web site is publishing information about the referendum.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">It is not my intention to start here a political discussion in favour or against the referendum or about the right of Catalans to decide about their future (that on the other hand is clear to me), but about the freedom to express any political information in Internet. However, it is relevant to note that the Catalan parliament approved by an absolute majority of votes a law to support the referendum that overcomes the Spanish legal framework. Thus, there is already a crash between Catalan and Spanish legitimacy or legality and the organisation of the referendum follows the Catalan framework according to this law, that of course has been suspended by the Spanish Constitutional Court, but the content of this law and the Catalan Government neither recognise nor accepts this suspension.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Thanks again for your interest.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Best regards,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small">Magí<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-25 18:27 GMT+02:00 Brandt Dainow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I think it is important to nuance this issue. The court order was not really about blocking the internet. It was part of the government's attempts to prevent publication, in print or online, about the referendum. Other people have been arrested, such as printers and people who were going to distribute ballot papers. So the government is not so much blocking the internet as blocking a certain type of information in all its forms. Not blocking it on the internet would have been, in this sense, inconsistent - effectively saying "no" to hard copy, but "yes" to online versions. Also, this court order only applied to the .cat domain, not to other internet sources.<br><br></div>I am not defending the government's postion here, but I don't think we can see this as a simple case of blocking the internet, and I think ISOC should be extremely cautious about getting involved. The spanish government's position is that the referendum is illegal and they have a duty to prevent it. Objecting to blocking internet access without objecting to the other government activity is like saying the normal rules about what is illegal or not shouldn't be applied to the internet. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 25 September 2017 at 14:23, Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">To some extent it is irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted<br>
blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The principles that underpin<br>
ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld registry and<br>
underlying infrastructures that was so treated.<br>
<br>
The issue is serious. But I'm not sure how far this particular incident<br>
can continue to travel in the wrong direction.<br>
<br>
To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional pollution where spanish<br>
authorities may issue european arrest warrants on technical managers of<br>
parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers are identified already<br>
by law enforcement and security interests in UK for instance)?<br>
<br>
It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove to arresting<br>
authorities such warrants from another jurisdiction are not warranted or<br>
politically motivated.<br>
<br>
<br>
C<br>
<br>
<br>
vinton cerf wrote:<br>
> they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan language and culture.<br>
> ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they had any<br>
> objections and both responded that they did not object.<br>
><br>
> v<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr Pastukhov<br>
> <<a href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt" target="_blank">opastukhov@sec.research.um.ed<wbr>u.mt</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:opastukhov@sec.research.um.edu.mt" target="_blank">opastukhov@sec.researc<wbr>h.um.edu.mt</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> Could someone please enlighten me on how they managed to get their<br>
> own TLD in the first place?<br>
><br>
> Thank you,<br>
><br>
> Alex<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dan, thanks for the information. I propose all ISOC chapters to<br>
>> express a support to<br>
>> Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in preventing political<br>
>> intervention in providing<br>
>> basic Internet services like TLD blocking. TLD "CAT" is<br>
>> recognized and available<br>
>> for many years and blocking the services and websites with that<br>
>> domain is not acceptable at all,<br>
>> especially not in EU where human rights where access to Internet<br>
>> is recognizes as part of<br>
>> them by UN, is respected as the highest value of the European<br>
>> society.<br>
>><br>
>> With regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Borka<br>
>><br>
>> ISOC SI<br>
>><br>
>> Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017 ob 18:44 napisal:<br>
>>> It's a good statement.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Worth also mentioning and keeping in mind that Pep Masoliver the<br>
>>> technical manager for the registry operator of .cat was arrested<br>
>>> during<br>
>>> the raid by the Guardia Civile. This means the event has more<br>
>>> serious<br>
>>> implications for the technical community than if this was a<br>
>>> comparatively simple case of attempted or actual content<br>
>>> blocking by the<br>
>>> Spanish authorities of some or all catalan websites.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Christian<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dan York wrote:<br>
>>>> Chapter delegates,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our concern<br>
>>>> about<br>
>>>> measures taken in Spain to block access to certain websites and,<br>
>>>> perhaps more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD)<br>
>>>> operator<br>
>>>> to engage in content monitoring and blocking.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is a tense time politically in Spain with an independence<br>
>>>> referendum having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia<br>
>>>> region<br>
>>>> which the central Spanish government views as illegal. We do<br>
>>>> not want<br>
>>>> to get involved in the politics of the situation, but are<br>
>>>> concerned by<br>
>>>> the manner in which the Internet is being restricted. As we have<br>
>>>> repeatedly stated, we do not see Internet blocking / shutdowns as<br>
>>>> effective measures and believe they cause far more collateral<br>
>>>> damage<br>
>>>> to the economy and society.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric Donck<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> his European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC Catalonia<br>
>>>> Chapter leaders to understand the situation there.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please do read and share our statement:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.o<wbr>rg/news/statements/2017/intern<wbr>et-society-statement-internet-<wbr>blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/news/statements/2017/inter<wbr>net-society-statement-internet<wbr>-blocking-measures-catalonia-<wbr>spain/</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.o<wbr>rg/es/news/declarationes/2017/<wbr>declaracion-de-internet-societ<wbr>y-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-<wbr>internet-en-cataluna-espana/</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/es/news/declarationes/2017<wbr>/declaracion-de-internet-socie<wbr>ty-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-<wbr>de-internet-en-cataluna-<wbr>espana/</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Shared on social at:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internets<wbr>ociety/status/9109951964055183<wbr>36</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/internet<wbr>society/status/910995196405518<wbr>336</a>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inte<wbr>rnetSociety/posts/101546279595<wbr>48239</a> <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Inte<wbr>rnetSociety/posts/101546279595<wbr>48239</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>> Dan<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Dan York<br>
>>>> Senior Manager, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:york@isoc.org" target="_blank">york@isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> <a href="tel:%2B1-802-735-1624" value="+18027351624" target="_blank">+1-802-735-1624</a> <tel:%28802%29%20735-1624><br>
>>>> Jabber: <a href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" target="_blank">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>><br>
>>>> Skype: danyork <a href="http://twitter.com/danyork" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/</a> <<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
>>>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically<br>
>>>> subscribed<br>
>>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet<br>
>>>> Society<br>
>>>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> _____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically<br>
> subscribed<br>
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet<br>
> Society<br>
> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
<br>
--<br>
Christian de Larrinaga FBCS, CITP,<br>
-------------------------<br>
@ FirstHand<br>
-------------------------<br>
<a href="tel:%2B44%207989%20386778" value="+447989386778" target="_blank">+44 7989 386778</a><br>
<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a><br>
-------------------------<br>
<br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br><div class="m_8111844742542781033gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a></div>
</font></span></div>
<br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Magí Lluch-Ariet<br></div>
</div>