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Dear Alejandro,<br>
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I find these problems to be similar in many organisations that
involve a lot of people but do not have a proper knowledge
management strategy. It's a problem at ISOC Chapter level, at HQ
level, but also in other volunteer-led organisations like ICANN.
With time, I have noted that a lot of history, but also worthwhile
projects, fall between the cracks. Everyone wants to do something
but nobody wants to write the painstaking record of what has
happened. It reminds me of my undergrad university days where
everyone wanted to write code but nobody wanted to write the user
manual on how to use the code.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/09/2017 09:27, Alejandro Pisanty
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<div dir="ltr">Olivier,
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<div>were that so, the forgetting that would be unforgivable
after nine years would be of the substantive collaboration
between all parties which has been pointed at repeatedly.
Carlos Vera, in particular, has brought up a very important
distinction in what happens when fellowships are granted in
coordination with the chapters and when they are not. The
games that can derive from that have already been pointed at.
The new social compact we need goes beyond the words of the
Agreement and Charter and seems to have managed to go around
the ChAC as well. If people who have been at this all along
that period and more continue to point at these same few
essential and unfulfilled things, where is the lack of memory?</div>
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<div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Dear Carlos,<br>
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<div class="m_-3166106598137108670moz-cite-prefix">On
06/09/2017 15:52, Carlos Vera wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The right instance for the
agreement for being write from zero is necessary is the <span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Chapters
Advisory Council and The chair of the bottom up
working group must take this challenge for the
workgroup and for the Chapters Advisory Council itself
so we can participate from the very beginning under
the right methodology including building the
principles of the agreement: not intervention, self
regulation of chapters, real participation as a
decision making instance, and much more. </span></blockquote>
<br>
This think that was done already, starting in 2008.<br>
See the call for activity:
<a class="m_-3166106598137108670moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://elists.isoc.org/pipermail/chapter-delegates/2008-January/003372.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://elists.isoc.org/<wbr>pipermail/chapter-delegates/<wbr>2008-January/003372.html</a><br>
<br>
And then the nature of the Internet is such that complete
chunks of history disappear at the flick of a switch. The
WIKI for the project is mostly vaporized but a few front
pages exist:<br>
In the <a href="http://archive.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">archive.org</a> wayback machine
there are many snapshots of the WIKI:<br>
18 Nov 2009:
<a class="m_-3166106598137108670moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://web.archive.org/web/20091118054552/http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=Sphere+Project"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://web.archive.org/web/<wbr>20091118054552/http://wiki.<wbr>chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.<wbr>php?page=Sphere+Project</a><br>
15 Dec 2012:
<a class="m_-3166106598137108670moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121215033255/http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.php?page=Sphere+Project"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://web.archive.org/web/<wbr>20121215033255/http://wiki.<wbr>chapters.isoc.org/tiki-index.<wbr>php?page=Sphere+Project</a><br>
<br>
You can consult other instances of the WIKI's front page
using the wayback machine.<br>
<br>
I am sorry you were not able to take part then, but a 9
year (!!!) bottom-up process to reach where we are today
is worth applauding.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier <br>
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