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I support the proposal.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Borka<br>
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Richard Hill je 6.9.2017 ob 14:15 napisal:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Just a clarification. The agreement
was reviewed informally by the ChAC Steering Committee. It
was not submitted to the full ChAC. As I understand it, it
was submitted to the Chapter Delegates list instead of the
ChAC list for the valid reason that not all chapters are
represented in the ChAC.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I would suggest that we maintain the
consultation mechanism used to date and that the next draft
also be submitted to the Chapter Delegates list for comment.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Richard</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Chapter-delegates
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Joyce Dogniez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 6, 2017 14:12<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and
feedback on revised charter agreement</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Brandt,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks for your
message.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Indeed there is still
a lot of discussion going on, which is obviously
encouraged and welcomed. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Having said that at
some point we need to recap the comments made and
understand how they can best be addressed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Which is why we had a
one month period of comment. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It may indeed well be
that while going through all the comments and feedbacks
there are areas that still need further discussion or that
some of the clauses need to be reviewed, revised,
clarified or simply removed. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As was discussed early
on the list, the agreement has been put together with
initial feedback from Chapters and has been reviewed by
the Chapters Advisory Council before posting on the list.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">There is surely no
intention of dictating… the final version, or updated
version if you prefer (you are right, the choice of word
could have been better </span><span lang="EN-GB">☺</span><span
lang="EN-GB">), will be presented to the Chapters AC
Steering Committee for revision and we will work with them
to identify next steps. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Please stay tuned for
the next version, I’m confident that together we can find
a consensus that is acceptable to all.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Warm regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Joyce</span><span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">From: </span></b><span
lang="EN-GB">Brandt Dainow <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 11:54<br>
<b>To: </b>Joyce Dogniez <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dogniez@isoc.org">dogniez@isoc.org</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and
feedback on revised charter agreement</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">With the greatest
respect, I do not think these discussions have reached a
state where conclusions can be drawn, and I personally
resent being told that this discussion is over. Perhaps I
am mistaken, but my understanding from your email is that
you will now create the final version of the chapter
agreement. If that is the case, then I also resent being
told that you and (unknown) other people in central will
decide the final version of the new chapter agreement.
These discussions have shown that the days have passed
where national chapters will accept central office
dictating to them in such a fashion.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If you want to attempt
to summarise positions, and propose a new agreement for
consideration by chapters, that is acceptable to me.
However, I really don’t think you can legitimately do
anything more than that. </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I propose that no new
chapter agreement be finalised without the agreement of
two-thirds of the national chapters, and that each
national chapter determine how it will vote through formal
agreement of its members. We should bear in mind national
members will be bound by the agreement, especially if they
ever serve on their national committee. It is contrary to
democratic principles and the principles of justice that
someone be bound by changes in rules they haven’t agreed
to. I am aware we currently lack a formal method for
chapters to vote on such matters. So I suggest we develop
something as soon as possible.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I suggest that this
chapter delegates forum continue to discuss this issue as
we feel appropriate. </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards,</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Brandt Dainow</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"><span>brandt.dainow@gmail.com</span></a></span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow"><span>https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</span></a></span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow"><span>http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</span></a></span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Chapter-delegates [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joyce Dogniez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 06 September 2017 10:15<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Chapter-delegates] Comments and
feedback on revised charter agreement</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Chapter leaders,</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I want to thank you
for your constructive feedback and comments on the revised
charter agreement. </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As the deadline for
comments was end of August, we will now start to compile
the comments and see how to best address them in the final
version. This will be done by the end of the month.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I have also received
some comments from Chapters on specific local situations,
I will get back to all of you as soon as possible on
those. </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I know some of you are
still waiting for some legal feedback locally, please
contact me off list to let me know of any specific issues.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Again thanks a lot for
your input.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Warm regards</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Joyce</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>— </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Joyce Dogniez, CMM</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Senior Director Global Engagement</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Internet Society</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dogniez@isoc.org">dogniez@isoc.org</a></span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mob/Whatsapp: +352 621 266 189</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Skype: joycedogniez</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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