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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-IE link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for clarifying<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Brandt Dainow<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"><span style='color:blue'>brandt.dainow@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow"><span style='color:blue'>https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Richard Hill [mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch] <br><b>Sent:</b> 06 September 2017 12:36<br><b>To:</b> brandt.dainow@gmail.com; 'Joyce Dogniez'; chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regarding the comment: “</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I am aware we currently lack a formal method for chapters to vote on such matters”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is not quite true. The Chapters Advisory Council (ChAC) is a formal method for chapters to submit proposals to the Board for its consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I realize that not all chapters have named representatives to the ChAC, but all chapters can do so, and I would recommend that they do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Richard</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandt Dainow<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 6, 2017 11:54<br><b>To:</b> 'Joyce Dogniez'; <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>With the greatest respect, I do not think these discussions have reached a state where conclusions can be drawn, and I personally resent being told that this discussion is over. Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding from your email is that you will now create the final version of the chapter agreement. If that is the case, then I also resent being told that you and (unknown) other people in central will decide the final version of the new chapter agreement. These discussions have shown that the days have passed where national chapters will accept central office dictating to them in such a fashion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you want to attempt to summarise positions, and propose a new agreement for consideration by chapters, that is acceptable to me. However, I really don’t think you can legitimately do anything more than that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I propose that no new chapter agreement be finalised without the agreement of two-thirds of the national chapters, and that each national chapter determine how it will vote through formal agreement of its members. We should bear in mind national members will be bound by the agreement, especially if they ever serve on their national committee. It is contrary to democratic principles and the principles of justice that someone be bound by changes in rules they haven’t agreed to. I am aware we currently lack a formal method for chapters to vote on such matters. So I suggest we develop something as soon as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I suggest that this chapter delegates forum continue to discuss this issue as we feel appropriate. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Brandt Dainow<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"><span style='color:blue'>brandt.dainow@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow"><span style='color:blue'>https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joyce Dogniez<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 September 2017 10:15<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dear Chapter leaders,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I want to thank you for your constructive feedback and comments on the revised charter agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>As the deadline for comments was end of August, we will now start to compile the comments and see how to best address them in the final version. This will be done by the end of the month.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I have also received some comments from Chapters on specific local situations, I will get back to all of you as soon as possible on those. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I know some of you are still waiting for some legal feedback locally, please contact me off list to let me know of any specific issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Again thanks a lot for your input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Warm regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Joyce<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>— <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Joyce Dogniez, CMM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Senior Director Global Engagement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Internet Society<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:dogniez@isoc.org">dogniez@isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Mob/Whatsapp: +352 621 266 189<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Skype: joycedogniez<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>