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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Just a clarification. The agreement was reviewed informally by the ChAC Steering Committee. It was not submitted to the full ChAC. As I understand it, it was submitted to the Chapter Delegates list instead of the ChAC list for the valid reason that not all chapters are represented in the ChAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I would suggest that we maintain the consultation mechanism used to date and that the next draft also be submitted to the Chapter Delegates list for comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joyce Dogniez<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 6, 2017 14:12<br><b>To:</b> brandt.dainow@gmail.com; chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dear Brandt,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks for your message.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Indeed there is still a lot of discussion going on, which is obviously encouraged and welcomed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Having said that at some point we need to recap the comments made and understand how they can best be addressed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Which is why we had a one month period of comment. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>It may indeed well be that while going through all the comments and feedbacks there are areas that still need further discussion or that some of the clauses need to be reviewed, revised, clarified or simply removed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>As was discussed early on the list, the agreement has been put together with initial feedback from Chapters and has been reviewed by the Chapters Advisory Council before posting on the list. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>There is surely no intention of dictating… the final version, or updated version if you prefer (you are right, the choice of word could have been better </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"'>☺</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>), will be presented to the Chapters AC Steering Committee for revision and we will work with them to identify next steps. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Please stay tuned for the next version, I’m confident that together we can find a consensus that is acceptable to all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Warm regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Joyce</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Brandt Dainow <<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 11:54<br><b>To: </b>Joyce Dogniez <<a href="mailto:dogniez@isoc.org">dogniez@isoc.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement</span><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>With the greatest respect, I do not think these discussions have reached a state where conclusions can be drawn, and I personally resent being told that this discussion is over. Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding from your email is that you will now create the final version of the chapter agreement. If that is the case, then I also resent being told that you and (unknown) other people in central will decide the final version of the new chapter agreement. These discussions have shown that the days have passed where national chapters will accept central office dictating to them in such a fashion.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you want to attempt to summarise positions, and propose a new agreement for consideration by chapters, that is acceptable to me. However, I really don’t think you can legitimately do anything more than that. </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I propose that no new chapter agreement be finalised without the agreement of two-thirds of the national chapters, and that each national chapter determine how it will vote through formal agreement of its members. We should bear in mind national members will be bound by the agreement, especially if they ever serve on their national committee. It is contrary to democratic principles and the principles of justice that someone be bound by changes in rules they haven’t agreed to. I am aware we currently lack a formal method for chapters to vote on such matters. So I suggest we develop something as soon as possible.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I suggest that this chapter delegates forum continue to discuss this issue as we feel appropriate. </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Brandt Dainow</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com"><span style='color:blue'>brandt.dainow@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow"><span style='color:blue'>https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</span></a></span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</span></a></span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joyce Dogniez<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 September 2017 10:15<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dear Chapter leaders,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I want to thank you for your constructive feedback and comments on the revised charter agreement. </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>As the deadline for comments was end of August, we will now start to compile the comments and see how to best address them in the final version. This will be done by the end of the month.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I have also received some comments from Chapters on specific local situations, I will get back to all of you as soon as possible on those. </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>I know some of you are still waiting for some legal feedback locally, please contact me off list to let me know of any specific issues.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Again thanks a lot for your input.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Warm regards</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Joyce</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>— </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Joyce Dogniez, CMM</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Senior Director Global Engagement</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Internet Society</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:dogniez@isoc.org">dogniez@isoc.org</a></span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Mob/Whatsapp: +352 621 266 189</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Skype: joycedogniez</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>