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Dear Patrik, Christian, and all
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<div class="">thanks for those insightful contributions</div>
<div class="">Just to clarify. We had the occasion to already discuss with the EU and have actually addressed the broad lines of ISOC own endeavor in this field as well as potential synergies with EC in the future</div>
<div class="">I just wanted to flag that the Commission was fully aware of our ISOC many resources in this field, read our Chapters, and was really keen for all of our Chapters to contribute directly to the consultation (link below)</div>
<div class="">So my mail was aimed at pointing you all to the opportunity to bring *your* expertise to this consultation and contribute directly online</div>
<div class="">sorry for the confusion </div>
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Frédéric<br class="">
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Frédéric Donck<br class="">
Director, European Regional Bureau<br class="">
Internet Society <br class="">
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<div class="">Le 1 déc. 2016 à 17:23, Patrik Fältström <<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" class="">paf@frobbit.se</a>> a écrit :</div>
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<div class="">I think from a pure frequency allocation policy point of view I think it is important we do get enough spectrum available so that we can (for example) stream high definition TV from our iPhone19 or Samsung Galaxy32 to our 8k TV.<br class="">
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Beside that, we also need to be able to handle spectrum that is licensed to individual spectrum holders. But as we do not have as much spectrum for licensing as we have interest, that licensed spectrum must be possible to get access to in a similar way as other
wholesale services (like bitstream).<br class="">
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I.e. I do not see LLUB be possible to implement in licensed spectrum, but bitstream.<br class="">
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Patrik<br class="">
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On 1 Dec 2016, at 16:37, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">I'm with you on your points. Although my question was aimed at<br class="">
evaluating the argument for increasing open spectrum availability in all<br class="">
the base application frequencies in the sense of having space that is<br class="">
not "owned". I'm not sure that White Space is sufficient to cover the<br class="">
very rich mixture of applications and transport needed between very low<br class="">
volume IoT, interactive device to device (meshes), and backhaul comms.<br class="">
Should higher bands that are currently open be "snaffled" in other words?<br class="">
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You mention zigbee which has earlier this year exposed another issue.<br class="">
That closing down device / application connectivity even when using an<br class="">
open standard by copyright claims is a potential hazard. A case I am<br class="">
thinking of was Philips quietly shifted its Hue compatibility for<br class="">
Philips only devices via an update - on copyright grounds. They backed<br class="">
down this time but ...<br class="">
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C<br class="">
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Patrik Fältström wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 1 Dec 2016, at 13:35, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">I agree.<br class="">
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Patrik would you also consider a comment for increasing availability of<br class="">
open spectrum is an equivalent to your fibre availability in terms of<br class="">
wireless? I am thinking mainly of pressures to regulate higher Ghz<br class="">
frequencies in c 45-90 Ghz but not necessarily limiting to that range<br class="">
depending on what 5G turns out to mean?<br class="">
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Sort of...<br class="">
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Regarding spectrum I have the view that:<br class="">
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- There must be enough spectrum allocated for anyone to use (within specific energy levels etc) to enable evolution (2.4GHz, 5GHz bands etc, WiFi, Zigbee, BlueTooth, ...).<br class="">
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- Allocation policy within the same frequency spectrum must be harmonised across Europe (look at 700MHz that did look good for a while but now...).<br class="">
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- Allocation must be made in a technology neutral manner.<br class="">
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- Spectrum allocation must be such so that the spectrum owners provide excellent wholesale services.<br class="">
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- Providers of services on the market might not be the spectrum owners.<br class="">
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For the two last rules, think about providers of services as MVNOs (across Europe) providing services by rending space in networks owned by frequency owners that have built good networks, and that if the provider of services is also the network owner should
be viewed as a special case (when rules for spectrum owners and providers of services to consumers hit the same organisation).<br class="">
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Patrik<br class="">
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Patrik Fältström wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">Frédéric,<br class="">
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FWIW, as long as dark fibre is not available on non-discriminatory<br class="">
terms, i.e. that LLUB exists for fibre as for copper, and (as<br class="">
arguments for that) the Investment Ladder is not recognised as an<br class="">
important enabler for well functioning and robust Internet<br class="">
Infrastructure, it does not matter how much "digitalisation" and smart<br class="">
services are developed.<br class="">
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Because of this, and the fact the gap between the robustness and<br class="">
functionality of Internet access that is delivered from what<br class="">
expectations there is, please include text about these issues as one<br class="">
very important thing.<br class="">
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Patrik<br class="">
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On 1 Dec 2016, at 12:12, Frédéric Donck wrote:<br class="">
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Dear All<br class="">
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This mail to let you know that the EU Bureau has been approached<br class="">
by the European Commission(DG Communications Network, Content and<br class="">
Technology (DG CONNECT), to contribute to an initiative called<br class="">
'the Next Generation Internet initiative", whose aim is, I quote,<br class="">
"to shape a more open and inclusive Internet for European citizens”.<br class="">
You can find more details about this initiative<br class="">
here: _<a href="https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/next-generation-internet-initiative_" class="">https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/next-generation-internet-initiative_</a><br class="">
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EC plans to come up with first results in the course of Q1 2017.<br class="">
The purpose as they explained to us, is to feed their Research<br class="">
Framework Program (2018-2020) but of course we should anticipate<br class="">
that some of the conclusions will be shared with their Policy arms.<br class="">
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As you know it, ISOC is in the process to finalise its own<br class="">
research and consultation on the future of the Internet which<br class="">
should turn into premliminary findings and recommendations in the<br class="">
course of next year<br class="">
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We believe that our contribution to this EC consultation would<br class="">
offer ISOC a very useful way of conveying our own messages and<br class="">
concerns to EU policymakers at this juncture, before the Internet<br class="">
Society comes up with its own recommendations in 2017.<br class="">
Hence, we thought you may find it interesting to contribute as<br class="">
well to this exercise.<br class="">
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Best Regards<br class="">
Best Regards<br class="">
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Frédéric<br class="">
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Frédéric Donck<br class="">
Director, European Regional Bureau<br class="">
Internet Society<br class="">
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Office:<br class="">
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1170 Brussels<br class="">
Belgium<br class="">
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Direct Mail: <a href="mailto:donck@isoc.org" class="">donck@isoc.org</a> <<a href="mailto:donck@isoc.org" class="">mailto:donck@isoc.org</a>><br class="">
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