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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec">Louis.Houle@isoc.quebec</a>

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2016-08-22 à 14:12, Eduardo Diaz a
      écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAO3PLbD6VDqNw76yc5HbN54_twJXV9fCspjY=gdJtAtPNPoTGg@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr"><font size="4">John:</font>
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        <div><font size="4">I still believe that all chapters should be
            welcome to comment on anything. As is in the recommendation
            - <b><i>"...Staff can choose the most appropriate method
                to </i></b></font><i style="font-weight:bold"><font
              size="4">consult the membership..."</font> </i><span
            style="font-size:large">it is assumed that staff will do
            this the most effective way. </span><span
            style="font-size:large"> </span></div>
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        <div><font size="4">With respect to removing the "ownership":
            my point there is that we are just issuing comments not
            mandates. It is well understood that the ChAC is just an
            advisory committee to the Board of Trustees and as such it
            does not have the authority or responsibility of issuing any
            mandates to the staff. </font></div>
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        <div><font size="4">Thanks.</font></div>
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        <div><font size="4">-ed</font><br>
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              <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:27 PM John More
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:morej1@mac.com">morej1@mac.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                <div style="word-wrap:break-word">The understood
                  structure of the ChAC is that it is to serve as a way
                  for Chapters to provide a more effective input in
                  support of the Trustees and the staff and as a means
                  for the latter to involve Chapters more fully.
                  Providing input on papers is a reasonable function as
                  long as it does not end up bureaucratizing further
                  ISOC. In that light involving all the Chapters in a
                  country or region specific policy or initiative would
                  seem counterproductive.  Informing everyone on the
                  other hand would be a good idea (as well as seeing the
                  membership bettie informed). Richard’s proposed
                  wording captures that.
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                  <div>On the other hand, I too would remove the
                    “ownership” wording and replace it with something
                    more like that that staff under delegated authority
                    from the Trustees has responsibility for issuing the
                    official version."</div>
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                    <div>John More</div>
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                          <div>On Aug 22, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Eduardo Diaz
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr"><font size="4">I do not see
                                how eliminating the statement will imply
                                that we are recommending to change any
                                ISOC structure or give members greater
                                responsibility. </font>
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                              <div><font size="4">The way I read it, the
                                  recommendation is geared to give
                                  chapters the chance to comment on
                                  papers put out by ISOC before they are
                                  published. As far as I know comments
                                  are just comments. They can be taken
                                  into account or not.  I do not think
                                  they are mandates. </font>
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                                <div><font size="4">Please let me know
                                    if I am wrong. </font></div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016
                                      at 12:49 PM Richard Hill <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
                                        target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                              Eduoardo,</span></p>
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                                              for the first change, I
                                              understand the logic.</span></p>
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                                              Regarding the second
                                              change, as I stated in a
                                              previous message, it seems
                                              to me that in the current
                                              structure of ISOC it is
                                              the Board who has the
                                              authority to issue policy
                                              statements, and the Board
                                              delegates that authority
                                              to the staff. I fully
                                              understand that some
                                              people would like to give
                                              greater responsibility to
                                              the members: that topic
                                              will be discussed in the
                                              Chapters Advisory Council.
                                              But, for this
                                              recommendation, I think
                                              that we should stick to
                                              ISOC’s current structure. 
                                              Otherwise it will get
                                              stuck into a big
                                              discussion about the
                                              structure of ISOC.</span></p>
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                                              Best,</span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard</span></p>
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                                                    Eduardo Diaz
                                                    [mailto:<a
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href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com" target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>]
                                                    <br>
                                                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday,
                                                    August 22, 2016
                                                    18:45<br>
                                                    <b>To:</b> Richard
                                                    Hill</span></p>
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                                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                    [Chapter-delegates]
                                                    ChAC Decision
                                                    Needed: Proposal for
                                                    greater Chapter
                                                    participation in
                                                    developing position
                                                    & policy briefs</span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">I believe in including everyone. It promotes
                                                  inclusiveness
                                                  and transparency.</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">In reality and what most probably happens is
                                                    that those affected
                                                    will be the ones
                                                    that will provide
                                                    the
                                                    feedback. However,
                                                    the rest of the
                                                    chapters will have
                                                    the opportunity to
                                                    be an active/passive
                                                    participant in the
                                                    discussion.</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">Also, I will eliminate the following: <b><i>"...with
                                                        the
                                                        understanding
                                                        that staff
                                                        retains full
                                                        ownership</i></b></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">for the final version"</span></i></b><span
                                                  style="font-size:13.5pt">. </span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">It has been stated in the recommendation that
                                                    that chapters
                                                    are providing just
                                                    comments. </span><span
style="font-size:18.0pt">In my very own personal opinion, I feel uneasy
                                                    about this
                                                    statement. It feels
                                                    like a mandate from
                                                    staff.</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at
                                                  12:22 PM Richard Hill
                                                  <<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                                        Eduardo,</span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Perhaps
                                                        we are talking
                                                        at cross
                                                        purposes. The
                                                        second
                                                        recommendation
                                                        refers to
                                                        policies that
                                                        apply globally. 
                                                        The first one is
                                                        intended to
                                                        refer to
                                                        policies that
                                                        apply only to a
                                                        specific
                                                        country/region.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
                                                        the idea was to
                                                        consult only the
                                                        chapters in the
                                                        concerned
                                                        country/region.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">However,
                                                        if you think
                                                        that all
                                                        chapters should
                                                        be consulted
                                                        even for policy
                                                        that apply only
                                                        to a specific
                                                        country/region,
                                                        that is fine
                                                        with me, and I
                                                        would be happy
                                                        to accept your
                                                        original
                                                        proposed edit.</span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks
                                                        and best,</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard</span></p>
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                                                          Eduardo Diaz
                                                          [mailto:<a
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href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com" target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>]
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Monday, August
                                                          22, 2016 18:19<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b>
                                                          Richard Hill;
                                                          Chapter
                                                          Delegates</span></p>
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                                                          Re:
                                                          [Chapter-delegates]
                                                          ChAC Decision
                                                          Needed:
                                                          Proposal for
                                                          greater
                                                          Chapter
                                                          participation
                                                          in developing
                                                          position &
                                                          policy briefs</span></p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt">ALL</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt">
                                                          chapters
                                                          should be
                                                          given the
                                                          opportunity in
                                                          getting
                                                          involved in
                                                          the process
                                                          regardless of
                                                          which
                                                          country/region
the policy statement is for. In the specific case, the chapters affected
                                                          should be the
                                                          most
                                                          vociferous.
                                                          So, I do not
                                                          agree with the
                                                          proposed
                                                          change. </span></p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt">Others in the list may want to comment on this
                                                          as well. </span></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Mon, Aug 22,
                                                          2016 at 11:43
                                                          AM Richard
                                                          Hill <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear
                                                          Eduardo,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
                                                          Thank you for
                                                          spotting this.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
                                                          recommendation
                                                          in question
                                                          was intended
                                                          to apply to
                                                          the situation
                                                          where ISOC
                                                          staff contacts
                                                          national
                                                          policy
                                                          makers.  I
                                                          would propose
                                                          to rephrase it
                                                          as follows:</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“When
                                                          ISOC staff
                                                          contacts
                                                          national
                                                          policy makers,
                                                          they should
                                                          review with
                                                          the relevant
                                                          chapters
                                                          policy
                                                          positions and
                                                          alliances
                                                          before</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">they
                                                          are made, and
                                                          inform the
                                                          chapters of
                                                          meetings with
                                                          national
                                                          policy</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">makers,
                                                          unless time
                                                          constraints do
                                                          not permit it.
                                                          We have active
                                                          mailing</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">lists
                                                          that can make
                                                          it quick and
                                                          easy.”</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard</span></p>
                                                          <p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On
                                                          Behalf Of </b>Eduardo
                                                          Diaz<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Monday, August
                                                          22, 2016 15:53<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b>
                                                          Chapter
                                                          Delegates</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [Chapter-delegates]
                                                          ChAC Decision
                                                          Needed:
                                                          Proposal for
                                                          greater
                                                          Chapter
                                                          participation
                                                          in developing
                                                          position &
                                                          policy briefs</span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">@All:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          recommend to
                                                          eliminate the
                                                          word "
                                                          relevant" in
                                                          the first
                                                          paragraph in
                                                          the
                                                          reccomendation
                                                          to read  as
                                                          follows: <b><i>"Review
                                                          with the
                                                          chapters,
                                                          policy..." . </i></b></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">The
                                                          word
                                                          "relevant"
                                                          implies that
                                                          some chapters
                                                          will be
                                                          excluded from
                                                          the
                                                          discussion. </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">The
                                                          dictionary
                                                          definition for
                                                          this word is:
                                                          <b>"<i>closely
                                                          connected or
                                                          appropriate to
                                                          the matter at
                                                          hand."</i></b></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">-ed</p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Fri, Aug 19,
                                                          2016 at 3:12
                                                          PM avri doria
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Dear
                                                          ChAC
                                                          delegates,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The ChAC
                                                          Steering
                                                          Committee has
                                                          reviewed "A
                                                          proposal for
                                                          greater<br>
                                                          involvement of
                                                          Chapters in
                                                          the position
                                                          and policy
                                                          brief
                                                          development<br>
                                                          process" 
                                                          (below &
                                                          attached) and
                                                          is submitting
                                                          it to the
                                                          Chapter
                                                          Council<br>
                                                          for approval.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Decisions by
                                                          the ChAC are
                                                          governed by
                                                          the Rules
                                                          &
                                                          Procedure
                                                          paragraph 6<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          >
                                                          Substantive
                                                          decisions, in
                                                          particular
                                                          regarding
                                                          advice and<br>
                                                          >
                                                          recommendations,
                                                          shall be made
                                                          by the AC.
                                                          Decisions may
                                                          be made by<br>
                                                          >
                                                          electronic
                                                          means (e.g.
                                                          E-Mail,
                                                          electronic
                                                          voting
                                                          systems, etc.)
                                                          or<br>
                                                          > during
                                                          remote
                                                          (audio/video
                                                          conferencing)
                                                          or physical
                                                          meetings.<br>
                                                          > Decisions
                                                          shall normally
                                                          be taken by
                                                          consensus
                                                          (meaning lack
                                                          of formal<br>
                                                          >
                                                          opposition).
                                                          If consensus
                                                          cannot be
                                                          achieved, then
                                                          the Chair of
                                                          the AC<br>
                                                          > Steering
                                                          Committee
                                                          shall organize
                                                          a vote. In
                                                          case of
                                                          voting,
                                                          decisions<br>
                                                          > shall be
                                                          taken by a
                                                          majority vote
                                                          of the
                                                          delegates to
                                                          the AC. The<br>
                                                          > quorum
                                                          shall be
                                                          nineteen (19)
                                                          delegates. In
                                                          case of tie,
                                                          the matter<br>
                                                          > will be
                                                          resubmitted
                                                          for discussion
                                                          and a new
                                                          vote. Votes
                                                          will be<br>
                                                          > secret.
                                                          The tally of
                                                          votes (for,
                                                          against,
                                                          abstain, did
                                                          not vote) will<br>
                                                          > be
                                                          published.
                                                          Abstentions
                                                          will be
                                                          counted
                                                          towards
                                                          determining
                                                          the quorum.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          At this point
                                                          I would like
                                                          to open
                                                          discussion on
                                                          this proposal
                                                          for the<br>
                                                          next week -
                                                          until 8/27
                                                          1200 UTC.  At
                                                          that point I
                                                          will initiate
                                                          a<br>
                                                          consensus call
                                                          on the
                                                          document,
                                                          including any
                                                          changes that
                                                          may be<br>
                                                          warranted as
                                                          part of the
                                                          discussion. 
                                                          This consensus
                                                          call will also
                                                          be<br>
                                                          scheduled for
                                                          1 week. 
                                                          Should the
                                                          document not
                                                          meet with
                                                          consensus, I<br>
                                                          will then
                                                          request that
                                                          we continue
                                                          discussion on
                                                          it and will
                                                          bring it to<br>
                                                          a vote.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thank you<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Avri Doria<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          (for the ChAC
                                                          SC)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -----<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          *A proposal
                                                          for greater
                                                          involvement of
                                                          Chapters in
                                                          the position
                                                          and<br>
                                                          policy brief
                                                          development
                                                          process*<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          *Background*<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In the past,
                                                          there have
                                                          been occasions
                                                          when ISOC
                                                          staff met with
                                                          national<br>
                                                          policy makers
                                                          without
                                                          involving the
                                                          national
                                                          chapter in any
                                                          way. Since<br>
                                                          national
                                                          chapters often
                                                          have good
                                                          relations with
                                                          national
                                                          officials, it<br>
                                                          would be
                                                          preferable if
                                                          the chapters
                                                          are also
                                                          involved in
                                                          meetings with<br>
                                                          national
                                                          officials. We
                                                          propose a
                                                          recommendation
                                                          below to that
                                                          effect.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          At present,
                                                          there does not
                                                          seem to be a
                                                          consistent
                                                          practice
                                                          within ISOC<br>
                                                          regarding the
                                                          role of the
                                                          membership in
                                                          the policy
                                                          development<br>
                                                          process and
                                                          the
                                                          preparation of
                                                          background and
                                                          position
                                                          papers that
                                                          ISOC<br>
                                                          puts forward.
                                                          Specifically,
                                                          some policy
                                                          papers are
                                                          submitted to
                                                          the<br>
                                                          membership for
                                                          comment,
                                                          specifically
                                                          the policy
                                                          briefs, while
                                                          others<br>
                                                          papers, such
                                                          as position
                                                          papers, are
                                                          not. In one
                                                          case, the
                                                          membership<br>
                                                          was not
                                                          informed of a
                                                          specific
                                                          submission. It
                                                          appears to us
                                                          that<br>
                                                          systematic
                                                          consultation
                                                          with the
                                                          membership can
                                                          only improve
                                                          the quality<br>
                                                          of a policy,
                                                          background
                                                          paper, or
                                                          position
                                                          paper. The
                                                          intent is not
                                                          to<br>
                                                          change ISOC's
                                                          current
                                                          decision-making
                                                          process for
                                                          such papers:
                                                          staff<br>
                                                          would remain
                                                          fully
                                                          responsible
                                                          for the final
                                                          version of the
                                                          paper. The<br>
                                                          intent is to
                                                          allow staff to
                                                          benefit
                                                          systematically
                                                          from the views
                                                          of the<br>
                                                          membership,
                                                          and to decide
                                                          whether or how
                                                          to incorporate
                                                          comments from<br>
                                                          the
                                                          membership. We
                                                          propose a
                                                          recommendation
                                                          below to that
                                                          effect.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
*Recommendations*<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Review with
                                                          the relevant
                                                          chapters,
                                                          policy
                                                          positions and
                                                          alliances
                                                          before<br>
                                                          they are made,
                                                          and inform
                                                          them of
                                                          meetings with
                                                          national
                                                          policy<br>
                                                          makers, unless
                                                          time
                                                          constraints do
                                                          not permit it.
                                                          We have active
                                                          mailing<br>
                                                          lists that can
                                                          make it quick
                                                          and easy.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In general,
                                                          policy,
                                                          background and
                                                          position
                                                          papers,
                                                          including
                                                          policy<br>
                                                          briefs should
                                                          be submitted
                                                          to the
                                                          membership for
                                                          comment prior
                                                          to<br>
                                                          publication,
                                                          with the
                                                          understanding
                                                          that staff
                                                          retains full
                                                          ownership<br>
                                                          for the final
                                                          version. Staff
                                                          can choose the
                                                          most
                                                          appropriate
                                                          method to<br>
                                                          consult the
                                                          membership,
                                                          for example by
                                                          asking for
                                                          volunteers to
                                                          review<br>
                                                          drafts, by
                                                          posting a
                                                          draft for
                                                          comment to a
                                                          mailing list,
                                                          by convening a<br>
                                                          virtual
                                                          meeting to
                                                          discuss the
                                                          issues, etc.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Further, when
                                                          papers are
                                                          published
                                                          and/or
                                                          submitted to
                                                          some entity<br>
                                                          outside ISOC,
                                                          the membership
                                                          should be
                                                          informed and a
                                                          link to the
                                                          paper<br>
                                                          should be sent
                                                          to the
                                                          appropriate
                                                          mailing list
                                                          and to the
                                                          Chapter<br>
                                                          Delegate's
                                                          mailing list
                                                          just prior to
                                                          the
                                                          publication or
                                                          submission.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          ---<br>
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                                                          software.<br>
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                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br>
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                                                          As an Internet
                                                          Society
                                                          Chapter
                                                          Officer you
                                                          are
                                                          automatically
                                                          subscribed<br>
                                                          to this list,
                                                          which is
                                                          regularly
                                                          synchronized
                                                          with the
                                                          Internet
                                                          Society<br>
                                                          Chapter Portal
                                                          (AMS): <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org/" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          As an Internet
                                                          Society
                                                          Chapter
                                                          Officer you
                                                          are
                                                          automatically
                                                          subscribed<br>
                                                          to this list,
                                                          which is
                                                          regularly
                                                          synchronized
                                                          with the
                                                          Internet
                                                          Society<br>
                                                          Chapter Portal
                                                          (AMS): <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.isoc.org/" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></p>
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                            As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you
                            are automatically subscribed<br>
                            to this list, which is regularly
                            synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
                            Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://portal.isoc.org"
                              target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></div>
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As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>
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