<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you for sharing that insight, BD! And here I thought I lived in a country (USA) which has a self-destructive foreign policy -- after having come from a country (Pakistan) which always finds ways to turn opportunity into loss... <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But in neither country have I heard such a, how best to put it, moronic, policy that Spain seems to have. WOW.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I can understand taxing commercial entities (not double taxation even then). I can understand limiting how even individuals can install Solar panels if it impacts the ecology and even the aesthetics that upset others or their property values. But to make using Solar a crime! <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SUN TAX? Did THEY create the Sun? Do they pay for the rays to be transported to Earth? Are they providing Sunshine from some government reserves when it's cloudy, or if there's "The Rain In Spain"?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am surprised that the great people of Spain did not rise up and shove such stupid politicians and policies to a dark place... as the saying goes... "where the sun don't shine". </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[Pardon the colorful wordplay and movie reference].</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Shine on, solar users, sun(light) worshippers, and energy innovators.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><i class=""><b class="">IMRAN</b></i></div><div class=""><div class=""><a href="http://twitter.com/imrananwar" class="">http://twitter.com/imrananwar</a> </div><div class=""><a href="http://facebook.com/IMRAN.TV" class="">http://facebook.com/IMRAN.TV</a> </div><div class=""><a href="http://imran.tv" class="">http://imran.TV</a></div> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 8, 2016, at 15:20, Brandt Dainow <<a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" class="">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">You can’t go to jail for using solar in Spain. But you can be heavily fined (as in millions of euros), and I guess if you don’t pay, you could go to jail. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">As of last year, Spanish law requires solar power system owners to pay the same grid fees that all electricity consumers in Spain pay, plus a so-called 'sun tax'. You have to pay a tax on the total capacity of your electrical system before it is used equal to the cost of obtaining that electricity from the grid. You then have to pay a second tax for the electricity you actually consume, if your system is larger than 10kW. So if your system is above 10kW, you pay tax on it twice. Installations smaller than 10 kW and all installations in the Canary Islands and the cities of Ceuta and Melilla (these are Spanish territories in Africa) are exempted from the second (consumption) tax. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The new law also prohibits solar power systems less than 100 kW from selling electricity. Instead, their owners are required to donate the extra electricity to the grid for free. In addition, community ownership is prohibited altogether for all sizes of self-consumption solar systems. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Finally, the law is retroactive - meaning that all existing self-consumption solar installations need to comply with the new regulations or face a fine of up to €60 million (double the maximum fine for radioactive leaks from nuclear plants). <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The general perception is the Spanish government hates non-institutional and de-centralised power generation and wants to stop it completely. Spain is the only country on earth which taxes self-consumption of self-generated electricity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Brandt Dainow<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chapter-delegates [<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" class="">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Imran Anwar<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>08 August 2016 19:42<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Carlos Vera<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Solar Shed - Pictures<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Going to jail for using solar in Spain? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Can you clarify with more details please. I don't understand the logic or rationale or specifics. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Technically speaking, tourists sunbathing on a beach are using solar on their own.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif;" class="">😊</span><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Imran<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br class="">On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:55, Carlos Vera <<a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cveraq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">In spain you get jail and a fine up to 30 millions euros if use solar energy on your own.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Comments?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Carlos Vera<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Isoc Ecuador </span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></body></html>