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<p>HI Richard,</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. Yes there are many ways to attend
the meetings. ISOC could credential any one or a member state can
and if a person can not get their country to allow them to joint
the country's delegation ISOC can often help and talk to the
requisite people and possibly help convince them to add people on
to a country's delegation. I know Sally has offered to do this a
number of times for people. It seems people are asking for ISOC to
pay for everyone and that is likely not going to happen. If
people want to get involved they should ask their country for them
to join the delegation, ask ISOC to join their delegation or as
you say if they are a non-profit, apply for a waiver of the sector
membership fees.</p>
<p>I was just trying to give people an alternative way of getting
involved and become active in the ITU-T Study Groups</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2016 8:28 AM, Richard Hill
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Judith,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Sorry to contradict you, but it is mostly ITU workshops that
are open to the public. ITU-T Study Group meetings are open
only to Member States, Sector Members, and Associates, not
to the public. While it is easy to become a Sector Member or
an Associate, there is an annual fee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But,
as you say, there are other options for attendance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For
example, ISOC is a Sector Member and can send anybody they
wish as part of their delegation. The same is true of Member
States: if the state agrees, anybody can attend as part of
the state’s delegation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also
as you say, a non-profit organization can apply for waiver
of membership fees. In fact, the membership fees have been
waived for ISOC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Chapter-delegates
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Judith Hellerstein<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 4, 2016 14:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Imran Anwar<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates; Dave Burstein<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Today's
Chapters meeting is a great opportunity to bring
"multi-stakeholder" to ISOC itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Imran, David, and others,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many of the itu meetings are open to
all. There are very few meetings closed to sector members.
The ones that are closed the us and eu countries ate
trying to open, but countries like Saudi Arabia and cuba
are doing thier best to keep them closed. If you are
interested in taking part in the study groups and in other
working meetings please do. Remote participation is
available for all meetings. If a ties account is required
that is one thing and i am sure that can be worked on.
For all the large assemblies and standards groups the
documents ate already open without ties restriction as
part of the agreement at the last plenipot. The wtsa is
coming up and i encourage all to get involved. Ask to join
a countries delegation and if that does not work than isoc
or another sector member can probably help out either by
talking to your leaders and encouraging to have a
multisector delegation. You do not have to be on site to
take part in the work. You can participate remotely. Of
course you lose the unofficial meetings. There are study
groups on iot so if you want to get involved please do so.
So much of the work is being done in these study groups
and they could use your assistance<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also please look at the membership for
academic and civil society and make your case of why you
need to be a member with a low fee or none at all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Judith<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Skype ID: judithhellerstein<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Aug 4, 2016, at 4:03 AM, Imran Anwar <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:imran@imran.com">imran@imran.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Great points, David, and I second
Joly's opinion. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Happy to discuss in an upcoming
chapter call how I can bring my cloud and IoT
background to bear on the standards organizations you
mention. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We of course need to ensure
royalties do not cripple the price accessibility of
devices in the developing world, but it also cannot be
an us against them (corporations) approach, since
companies spend millions/billions in R&D which
drives innovations more than just standards making
does. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without them feeling they can
profit (reasonable ranges of profit of course) they
would have less incentive to invest in next generation
technologies or going head to head against
competition. Chapters like ours and others can surely
help bring/maintain that balance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keep up the great work,
colleagues. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://imran.pk">http://imran.pk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://imran.tv">http://imran.tv</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 4, 2016, at 03:31, Dave
Burstein <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com">daveb@dslprime.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">All <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In
April, a remarkable board discussion made it
clear that </span>top down decisionmaking<span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> was not
appropriate at ISOC. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Board member Walid
Al-Saqaf said the Chapters' Committee "will
get whatever you need." Several other board
members have said similar, publicly and
privately. There was no public disagreement,
either at the meeting or afterward on the
mailing list. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The change to a more
bottoms-up, chapter and member approach
isn't happening. Of course it's difficult
for a staff that's made all the decisions to
share power; some of the problem may just be
inertia. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We seem to have rough
consensus on two essentially modest
proposals. We can, and should, resolve any
remaining issues and advance them today.
They have both been extensively discussed in
April and since. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let's make these happen,
ASAP: <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first is <span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">to
allow our chapters to allocate 3% of our
$50M budget to local actions, from paying
non-profit accounting fees to lo</span>cal
events. Reporting and financial control
would be required. Even if imperfect, that
would be far more effective than the current
system, where the budget says, as Joly has
pointed out, one-third of the money goes to
administration, not program services. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The second is to invite
our experienced members to bring the
Internet Society to the important standards
committees where we currently have no
presence. It's great we support the IETF,
but the other groups that have an impact on
access need a public interest presence even
more. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We can send as many
people to ITU Study Groups as we like as a
sector member of ITU. The Secretary-General
encouraged Kathy Brown to do that; Hamadoun
wanted more involvement so the U.S. would
stop beating over the head about closed
meetings. (Almost none are.) ISOC could
credential all of civil society if we chose
and send 100 people. One study group wants
to set the rules for IoT - we should be
there. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The most important group
to attend if we want lower access costs is
3GPP, which makes the 3G/4G/5G rules, the
most common way people are connecting today.
It has no public interest presence and is
only corporations. A very hot issue there is
the line code choice for 5G. Royalties could
be half the cost of a low end smartphone,
something which should be as cheap as
possible. Qualcomm, Nokia and Huawei, each
smelling $B or more in royalties, and trying
to win the standard. They will probably come
to an agreement so that each collects and
phone prices go up. Not good for poor
people.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We also should be strong
at the Wi-Fi groups, including IEEE 802.11,
which is an open group. I believe that Wi-Fi
will be the right access for village. India,
Thailand and others are building backbone
fiber to tens of thousands of towns. Wi-Fi
is the natural local connection. The telcos
want to take as much as half the Wi-Fi
spectrum for their LAA service. I care
because I want a public interest presence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have a cooperation
agreement with CITEL, the policy group of
the Americas. We could arrange similar with
the African Union telecom body, etc. At
minimum, the local chapter members should
attend and report back to us. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Decisions in standards
effect $billions in access costs. We should
be attending and making a difference.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There's another reason
ISOC has to rely more on the chapters. We
haven't adapted to the reality that 2/3rds
and possibly 3/4ths of today's Internet is
not America and Western Europe. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It's wonderful that the
founders of ISOC and the Internet itself,
including Bob and Vint, are still active.
They've earned extraordinary respect. But
it's time to incorporate people from the
global South/BRICS/Group of 77 into policy
and other senior positions at ISOC.
Virtually every senior policy person and
senior manager at ISOC comes from the U.S.
and Europe, and that hasn't changed over the
last decade. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">"We have to build
bridges," U.S. Ambassador Verveer told me
after the the Internet split at the WCIT in
Dubai. Our chapters are far more diverse
than our management; empowering chapters
would be a good way to hear more from the
global south. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> "The
Internet is for everyone" is a great
slogan. I think bringing access to
everyone should continue as </span>priority<span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">, and I
think most members would agree. We should
put that line back on our home page. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Dave
Burstein<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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Net Policy News and DSL Prime<br>
Author with Jennie Bourne DSL (Wiley) and
Web Video: Making It Great, Getting It
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