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    <p>HI Richard,</p>
    <p>Thanks for the clarification.  Yes there are many ways to attend
      the meetings. ISOC could credential any one or a member state can
      and if a person can not get their country to allow them to joint
      the country's delegation ISOC can often help and talk to the
      requisite people and possibly help convince them to add people on
      to a country's delegation. I know Sally has offered to do this a
      number of times for people. It seems people are asking for ISOC to
      pay for everyone and that is likely not going to happen.  If
      people want to get involved they should ask their country for them
      to join the delegation, ask ISOC to join their delegation or as
      you say if they are a non-profit, apply for a waiver of the sector
      membership fees.</p>
    <p>I was just trying to give people an alternative way of getting
      involved and become active in the ITU-T Study Groups</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Judith<br>
    </p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2016 8:28 AM, Richard Hill
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
            Judith,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
            Sorry to contradict you, but it is mostly ITU workshops that
            are open to the public. ITU-T Study Group meetings are open
            only to Member States, Sector Members, and Associates, not
            to the public. While it is easy to become a Sector Member or
            an Associate, there is an annual fee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But,
            as you say, there are other options for attendance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For
            example, ISOC is a Sector Member and can send anybody they
            wish as part of their delegation. The same is true of Member
            States: if the state agrees, anybody can attend as part of
            the state’s delegation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also
            as you say, a non-profit organization can apply for waiver
            of membership fees. In fact, the membership fees have been
            waived for ISOC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
            Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                  Chapter-delegates
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On
                    Behalf Of </b>Judith Hellerstein<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 4, 2016 14:17<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Imran Anwar<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates; Dave Burstein<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Today's
                  Chapters meeting is a great opportunity to bring
                  "multi-stakeholder" to ISOC itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Imran, David, and others,<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Many of the itu meetings are open to
              all. There are very few meetings closed to sector members.
              The ones that are closed the us and eu countries ate
              trying to open, but countries like Saudi Arabia and cuba
              are doing thier best to keep them closed. If you are
              interested in taking part in the study groups and in other
              working meetings please do. Remote participation is
              available for all meetings. If a ties account is required
              that is one thing and i am sure that can be worked on.
               For all the large assemblies and standards groups the
              documents ate already open without ties restriction as
              part of the agreement at the last plenipot. The wtsa is
              coming up and i encourage all to get involved. Ask to join
              a countries delegation and if that does not work than isoc
              or another sector member can probably help out either by
              talking to your leaders and encouraging to have a
              multisector delegation. You do not have to be on site to
              take part in the work. You can participate remotely. Of
              course you lose the unofficial meetings. There are study
              groups on iot so if you want to get involved please do so.
              So much of the work is being done in these study groups
              and they could use your assistance<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Also please look at the membership for
              academic and civil society and make your case of why you
              need to be a member with a low fee or none at all<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Judith<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com">Judith@jhellerstein.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Skype ID: judithhellerstein<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
              On Aug 4, 2016, at 4:03 AM, Imran Anwar <<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:imran@imran.com">imran@imran.com</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Great points, David, and I second
                  Joly's opinion. <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Happy to discuss in an upcoming
                  chapter call how I can bring my cloud and IoT
                  background to bear on the standards organizations you
                  mention. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">We of course need to ensure
                  royalties do not cripple the price accessibility of
                  devices in the developing world, but it also cannot be
                  an us against them (corporations) approach, since
                  companies spend millions/billions in R&D which
                  drives innovations more than just standards making
                  does. <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Without them feeling they can
                  profit (reasonable ranges of profit of course) they
                  would have less incentive to invest in next generation
                  technologies or going head to head against
                  competition. Chapters like ours and others can surely
                  help bring/maintain that balance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Keep up the great work,
                  colleagues. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://imran.pk">http://imran.pk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://imran.tv">http://imran.tv</a><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 4, 2016, at 03:31, Dave
                      Burstein <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com">daveb@dslprime.com</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  <div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">All <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In
                            April, a remarkable board discussion made it
                            clear that </span>top down decisionmaking<span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> was not
                            appropriate at ISOC. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                      </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Board member Walid
                            Al-Saqaf said the Chapters' Committee "will
                            get whatever you need."  Several other board
                            members have said similar, publicly and
                            privately. There was no public disagreement,
                            either at the meeting or afterward on the
                            mailing list. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">The change to a more
                            bottoms-up, chapter and member approach
                            isn't happening. Of course it's difficult
                            for a staff that's made all the decisions to
                            share power; some of the problem may just be
                            inertia. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">We seem to have rough
                            consensus on two essentially modest
                            proposals.  We can, and should, resolve any
                            remaining issues and advance them today. 
                            They have both been extensively discussed in
                            April and since. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Let's make these happen,
                            ASAP: <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">The first is <span
                              style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">to
                              allow our chapters to allocate 3% of our
                              $50M budget to local actions, from paying
                              non-profit accounting fees to lo</span>cal
                            events. Reporting and financial control
                            would be required. Even if imperfect, that
                            would be far more effective than the current
                            system, where the budget says, as Joly has
                            pointed out, one-third of the money goes to
                            administration, not program services. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">The second is to invite
                            our experienced members to bring the
                            Internet Society to the important standards
                            committees where we currently have no
                            presence.  It's great we support the IETF,
                            but the other groups that have an impact on
                            access need a public interest presence even
                            more. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">We can send as many
                            people to ITU Study Groups as we like as a
                            sector member of ITU. The Secretary-General
                            encouraged Kathy Brown to do that; Hamadoun
                            wanted more involvement so the U.S. would
                            stop beating over the head about closed
                            meetings. (Almost none are.) ISOC could
                            credential all of civil society if we chose
                            and send 100 people. One study group wants
                            to set the rules for IoT - we should be
                            there. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">The most important group
                            to attend if we want lower access costs is
                            3GPP, which makes the 3G/4G/5G rules, the
                            most common way people are connecting today.
                            It has no public interest presence and is
                            only corporations. A very hot issue there is
                            the line code choice for 5G. Royalties could
                            be half the cost of a low end smartphone,
                            something which should be as cheap as
                            possible. Qualcomm, Nokia and Huawei, each
                            smelling $B or more in royalties, and trying
                            to win the standard. They will probably come
                            to an agreement so that each collects and
                            phone prices go up. Not good for poor
                            people.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">We also should be strong
                            at the Wi-Fi groups, including IEEE 802.11,
                            which is an open group. I believe that Wi-Fi
                            will be the right access for village. India,
                            Thailand and others are building backbone
                            fiber to tens of thousands of towns. Wi-Fi
                            is the natural local connection. The telcos
                            want to take as much as  half the Wi-Fi
                            spectrum for their LAA service. I care
                            because I want a public interest presence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">We have a cooperation
                            agreement with CITEL, the policy group of
                            the Americas. We could arrange similar with
                            the African Union telecom body, etc. At
                            minimum, the local chapter members should
                            attend and report back to us. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Decisions in standards
                            effect $billions in access costs. We should
                            be attending and making a difference.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">There's another reason
                            ISOC has to rely more on the chapters. We
                            haven't adapted to the reality that 2/3rds
                            and possibly 3/4ths of today's Internet is
                            not America and Western Europe. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">It's wonderful that the
                            founders of ISOC and the Internet itself,
                            including Bob and Vint, are still active.
                            They've earned extraordinary respect.  But
                            it's time to incorporate people from the
                            global South/BRICS/Group of 77 into policy
                            and other senior positions at ISOC.
                            Virtually every senior policy person and
                            senior manager at ISOC comes from the U.S.
                            and Europe, and that hasn't changed over the
                            last decade. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">"We have to build
                            bridges," U.S. Ambassador Verveer told me
                            after the the Internet split at the WCIT in
                            Dubai. Our chapters are far more diverse
                            than our management; empowering chapters
                            would be a good way to hear more from the
                            global south. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> "The
                              Internet is for everyone" is a great
                              slogan. I think bringing access to
                              everyone should continue as </span>priority<span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">, and I
                              think most members would agree. We should
                              put that line back on our home page. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Dave
                            Burstein<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Editor, Fast Net News,
                            Net Policy News and DSL Prime<br>
                            Author with Jennie Bourne  DSL (Wiley) and
                            Web Video: Making It Great, Getting It
                            Noticed (Peachpit)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
                      As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
                      automatically subscribed<br>
                      to this list, which is regularly synchronized with
                      the Internet Society<br>
                      Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
                As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
                automatically subscribed<br>
                to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the
                Internet Society<br>
                Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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