<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Laurie,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Getting "new" leaders doesn't come overnight, we need time to prepare younger generation to understand and get them engaged into the community. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">If there is no such programs -including activities carried by individual chapters- how do we get large base of younger generation to understand Internet Governance and be the future leaders?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">From my perspective, for those >40 if by now they are not empowered to be a leaders, it is not easy to change their characteristic. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">As per the discussions here, I'm totally with the allocation of travel support budget to those involved and possible current leaders.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Nadira<br> <br></div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Laurie Patton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceo@internet.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@internet.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>So you are only interested in new leaders if they are under 40 then?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for making me feel so welcome!<span class=""><br><br>LAURIE PATTON<div>Chief Executive Officer | Internet Australia</div><div><br></div><div>"Helping Shape Our Internet Future"</div><div><br></div></span><div>Contacts:<br><div><span style="font-size:13pt">Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29%20418%20777700" value="+61418777700" target="_blank">+61 (0) 418 777700</a></span></div><span class=""><div>Twitter: @LJPatton</div><div>LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkd.in/LauriePatton" target="_blank">http://linkd.in/LauriePatton</a></div></span></div><span class=""><div>Wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Patton" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Patton</a></div><div>Website: <a href="http://www.internet.org.au" target="_blank">www.internet.org.au</a></div><div><br></div><div>Note: This email is confidential to the addressees and may contain copyright material. 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All rights reserved.</div></span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 8 Jul 2016, at 16:26, Nadira Alaraj <<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com" target="_blank">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">+1 Alejandro,<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The IGF Ambassadors program is under the Next Generation Leaders Programme, <br><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme</a><br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">It makes full sense to target younger potential applicants. <br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Interesting to see many of those got involved into the Next Generation Leaders progarmme are leaders in their respective positions.<br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Nadira<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><h1><br></h1></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>before everybody gets carried away... has anyone under 40 complained about ageism yet?<br><br></div>This policy was established with several purposes and some of them at least have been fulfilled successfully.<br><br></div>The premise is that a call based only on grounds of merit and experience has a strong incentive to end up selecting largely the same set of people again and again, in a self-reinfocing feedback cycle. (who has more experience and more extensive networks than those who have attended most meetings?<br><br></div>Fresh insights and new people have to come into our system.<br><br></div>The policy of selecting under-40's has been very successful at least in our chapter. The members who have attended workshops, IGFs, IETF, and ICANN meetings have not only acquired knowledge and experience but also networks of their own, with a younger generation as well as with the old, with grassroots as well as with staff. Bringing in insights about today's Internet and looking into its future, strongly committed, highly motivated.. just what we were 15 or 20 years ago!!<br><br></div>Now thanks to the policy we have a small group, in our case three layers deep, of people who can and *will* take the reins of the Chapter in the near future. So ISOC's pro-under-40 policy is actually helping our succession planning - isnt' that a major responsibility we have in chapters? - for free! <br><br></div>Do we have a problem left to deal with in funding participation for the most experienced members? yes, no doubt. Olga, you are now a Trustee, it's upon you (you have the power to change the things you do not like and to deliver on the promise your statement implies), and on whoever succeeds you very soon in your position in the Chapter Advisory Council as well.) (I'm sure the CHAC is also considering this issue.)<br><br><br></div><div>Yours,<br><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, David Vyorst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dvyorst@gmail.com" target="_blank">dvyorst@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1<div>+50</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>David Vyorst<div><font size="2">Co-Founder, Relay Station Digital Strategies<br><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><a href="http://www.relaystationmedia.com" target="_blank">www.relaystationmedia.com</a><br><span title="Call with Google Voice"><span title="Call with Google Voice"><span title="Call with Google Voice">202.841.2400</span></span></span></font></div><div>@dvyo </div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Ricardo Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rihogris@gmail.com" target="_blank">rihogris@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thank you very much Glenn,<div>Have the same feeling, for the ones over 50 , that actually have to work hard to make the local IGF a reality, with almost no help from the former fellows is discouraging. Hope this changes, not only in ISOC, but in some other I Organizations, where it is not written, but at the end is the main criteria. </div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Ricardo Holmquist<span></span><br><br>El Thursday, July 7, 2016, Glenn McKnight <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The call for IGF Ambassadors has opened for IGF Mexico.<div><br></div><div>Note the limitations </div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,124,195);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1.333em;line-height:17.92px">Selection criteria</span><br></div><div><p style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 1.1em;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;color:rgb(46,46,46);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:17.92px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"></p><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;color:rgb(46,46,46);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:17.92px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">IGF Ambassadorships are for young Internet Society members who have a strong interest in the issues and themes of the IGF. Ambassadorship awards are available for first-time and returning ambassadors. Selection for the Ambassadorships is competitive. All applicants must be: </div><ul style="margin:0px 0px 20px 8px;padding:0px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;color:rgb(46,46,46);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:17.92px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px"><b><u>between the ages of 20 and 40</u></b></li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">a member of the Internet Society </li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">able to present a strong motivation for attending the IGF meeting</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">able to demonstrate interest and expertise in issues on the IGF agenda</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">able to demonstrate experience in leading Internet governance discussions at the international level and in multi-cultural environments</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">capable of appropriately represent the Internet Society and its views and policies as an Ambassador during the IGF</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">capable of continuing to work with the Internet Society locally after the IGF.</li></ul><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div>I am curious how the <b><i>Internet is for Everyone, </i></b>but why does ISOC continues to limit the ambassadors to under 40 years old. Interesting since ARIN Fellowship or ICANN has removed this obvious discrimination against dedicated volunteers</div><div><br></div><div>I wonder how many previous candidates actually worked with the local chapters after the IGF. </div><div><br></div><div>Recently at ICANN we reviewed all the fellows based upon their self-identified sectors and countries and the bias has been for World Least Developed economies- this has meant that US territories in the South Pacific, first Nations, poor and rural Americans were not eligible. We have stated for years that this is unfair to Canadian and US first nations/indigenous ( can be treated as independent tribal governments) . ICANN is now reexamining their criteria with a noteworthy change to allow first nations people to participate. </div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone else feel that ISOC's ambassador program suffers from ageism?</div><div><br></div><div>Glenn</div><div><br></div><div>Glenn</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight<br><a>mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>skype gmcknight<br>twitter gmcknight<br>.</div></div></div>
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