<div dir="ltr">In principle I am personally favorable to a positive discrimination.<div>Nevertheless, I think we should have 2 separate programs :</div><div>- ISOC IGF Ambassadorship program : open to only chapter leaders, with no age restriction. The reason is that the word Ambassadorship means that we need people that already adhere in ISOC principles and vision; no one better than chapter leaders to represent ISOC.</div><div>- ISOC IGF Fellowship : This should be open to anyone regardless their membership ( preference will go to non members, and countries with no chapters ). With this program you can require the applicant to be under 40, and to seek in a "new/future" leadership role either by getting more active members in the chapter or creating new chapters.</div><div><br></div><div>Khaled </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#666666" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Khaled Koubaa</font></div><div><font size="1" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Twitter : <a href="https://twitter.com/koubaak" target="_blank">@koubaak</a></font></div><div><font size="1" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">LinkedIn : <a href="http://lnked.in/kkoubaa" target="_blank">http://lnked.in/kkoubaa</a></font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<div>This is a topic I’ve been ruminating on for a while. And as a disclaimer in case its needed, I’m under 40 and for another week at least under 30 years old.</div>
<div>I think we have a serious issue with capacity in the IG space and Im not sure if our efforts are actually making a huge difference.</div>
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<div>Many of the fellowship and outreach programs are focussed on getting people in the door and to meetings physically, almost to the exclusion of all other criteria, and as such have been focussed on youth, developing nations etc, this is obviously a noble
goal, and one that we do need to keep a focus on, many people claim its the cornerstone of the legitimacy of the multistakeholder and IG model, and I don’t necessarily disagree. But we have a huge gap, once people have stepped over the threshold…. Not much
happens and we lose those people that could have become productive members of the community.</div>
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<div>I think we need to take a serious look at our ability to engage and manage people who want to get into the nitty gritty details, because we are so incredibly understaffed in that area that its a serious concern of mine. And that means opening our support
systems to anyone who can demonstrate knowledge, ability and willingness to perform as a volunteer. Wether these end up as two separate streams of engagement across the various I* organisations is for others to determine, but I do think that we need to realise
and accept that we have a capacity problem that we are not fixing despite our efforts, and we should take a hard hard look at excluding potential applicants who can be converted into the people on the front lines, building policy, ensuring our agenda is heard
and doing the work. If we exclude these people based on arbitrary criteria then we are doing ourselves a disservice I think. If someone is willing to get involved and do the work I don’t think we should care if they are 18 or 80, from the US or from Uzbekistan,
I feel that we almost don’t have that luxury yet, or if we feel we do, then we need a parallel program for those willing to do the heavy lifting.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Nadira Alaraj <<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com" target="_blank">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div>I think you are missing the point. We need to do three things IMO...</div>
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<div>1. Respect and cherish our Internet heroes who have been fighting to good fight for so long. Learn from them while challenging their legacy strategies,</div>
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<div>2. Encourage and develop new, younger, talent and position them for future leadership roles,</div>
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<div>3. Create a pathway for new, experienced people who can increase the breadth of experience available and bring proven strategies that have not been envisaged by the 'old hands' or the emerging talent.</div>
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<div>Enforcing quotas will inevitably work against this.</div>
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Getting "new" leaders doesn't come overnight, we need time to prepare younger generation to understand and get them engaged into the community.
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If there is no such programs -including activities carried by individual chapters- how do we get large base of younger generation to understand Internet Governance and be the future leaders?<br>
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>From my perspective, for those >40 if by now they are not empowered to be a leaders, it is not easy to change their characteristic.
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As per the discussions here, I'm totally with the allocation of travel support budget to those involved and possible current leaders.<br>
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<div>So you are only interested in new leaders if they are under 40 then?</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The IGF Ambassadors program is under the Next Generation Leaders Programme,
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<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Interesting to see many of those got involved into the Next Generation Leaders progarmme are leaders in their respective positions.<br>
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before everybody gets carried away... has anyone under 40 complained about ageism yet?<br>
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This policy was established with several purposes and some of them at least have been fulfilled successfully.<br>
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The premise is that a call based only on grounds of merit and experience has a strong incentive to end up selecting largely the same set of people again and again, in a self-reinfocing feedback cycle. (who has more experience and more extensive networks than
those who have attended most meetings?<br>
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Fresh insights and new people have to come into our system.<br>
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The policy of selecting under-40's has been very successful at least in our chapter. The members who have attended workshops, IGFs, IETF, and ICANN meetings have not only acquired knowledge and experience but also networks of their own, with a younger generation
as well as with the old, with grassroots as well as with staff. Bringing in insights about today's Internet and looking into its future, strongly committed, highly motivated.. just what we were 15 or 20 years ago!!<br>
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Now thanks to the policy we have a small group, in our case three layers deep, of people who can and *will* take the reins of the Chapter in the near future. So ISOC's pro-under-40 policy is actually helping our succession planning - isnt' that a major responsibility
we have in chapters? - for free! <br>
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Do we have a problem left to deal with in funding participation for the most experienced members? yes, no doubt. Olga, you are now a Trustee, it's upon you (you have the power to change the things you do not like and to deliver on the promise your statement
implies), and on whoever succeeds you very soon in your position in the Chapter Advisory Council as well.) (I'm sure the CHAC is also considering this issue.)<br>
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Thank you very much Glenn,
<div>Have the same feeling, for the ones over 50 , that actually have to work hard to make the local IGF a reality, with almost no help from the former fellows is discouraging. Hope this changes, not only in ISOC, but in some other I Organizations, where it
is not written, but at the end is the main criteria. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">The call for IGF Ambassadors has opened for IGF Mexico.
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IGF Ambassadorships are for young Internet Society members who have a strong interest in the issues and themes of the IGF. Ambassadorship awards are available for first-time and returning ambassadors. Selection for the Ambassadorships is competitive. All applicants
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a member of the Internet Society </li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">
able to present a strong motivation for attending the IGF meeting</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">
able to demonstrate interest and expertise in issues on the IGF agenda</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">
able to demonstrate experience in leading Internet governance discussions at the international level and in multi-cultural environments</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">
capable of appropriately represent the Internet Society and its views and policies as an Ambassador during the IGF</li><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px 8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px none;list-style:outside none none;background:transparent url("") no-repeat scroll 0px 7px">
capable of continuing to work with the Internet Society locally after the IGF.</li></ul>
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<div>I am curious how the <b><i>Internet is for Everyone, </i></b>but why does ISOC continues to limit the ambassadors to under 40 years old. Interesting since ARIN Fellowship or ICANN has removed this obvious discrimination against dedicated volunteers</div>
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<div>I wonder how many previous candidates actually worked with the local chapters after the IGF. </div>
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<div>Recently at ICANN we reviewed all the fellows based upon their self-identified sectors and countries and the bias has been for World Least Developed economies- this has meant that US territories in the South Pacific, first Nations, poor and rural
Americans were not eligible. We have stated for years that this is unfair to Canadian and US first nations/indigenous ( can be treated as independent tribal governments) . ICANN is now reexamining their criteria with a noteworthy change to allow first
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<div>Does anyone else feel that ISOC's ambassador program suffers from ageism?</div>
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