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<p>Hi, everyone,</p>
<p>Just to try to contribute to the discussion, but without the
intention to exhaust it.<br>
<br>
And let me begin saying that I think I partially agree with the
points raised by Laurie. From my perspective there is, at least,
two issues that this discussion highlights, on is the difficulty
of organizations in performing a generational transition,
expressed here in the idea of 'preparing future leadership', and,
the other one, is the about the access to participate in the
internet governance meetings and forums.<br>
<br>
Regarding the first issue, I think that Alejandro made a good
synthesis "a call based only on grounds of merit and experience
has a strong incentive to end up selecting largely the same set of
people again and again, in a self-reinfocing feedback cycle", but
the the challenge is to promote this expansion, enabling the
generational transition - at the same time broadens the audience
that discusses Internet governance - without restraining the
participation of those who are already involved. Like Laurie put
it, new experiences can come from all ages, the same way that a
younger learns about the internet governance in this meetings, and
other realities with the not-younger ones; the not-younger ones
learn with the younger.<br>
<br>
If I understand correctly, by those who preceded me, I think that
there is no divergence on this point. <br>
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<p>The problem, in my understanding, is the second issue: the
difficulty to participate in meetings, not just for young ones, or
from the global south, but for many people. To deal with this
problem there is no need to withdrawal of an alternative that aims
the same question and, with it, the formation of new leadership.<br>
</p>
<p>And I thought that Ambassador Programme already consider this by
offering a selection process for youngers - "First-time
Ambassador" - and for all ages - "Returning Ambassador".
Apparently I was wrong. <br>
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<p>Em 08/07/2016 08:29, James Gannon escreveu:<br>
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<div>This is a topic I’ve been ruminating on for a while. And as
a disclaimer in case its needed, I’m under 40 and for another
week at least under 30 years old.</div>
<div>I think we have a serious issue with capacity in the IG
space and Im not sure if our efforts are actually making a
huge difference.</div>
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<div>Many of the fellowship and outreach programs are focussed
on getting people in the door and to meetings physically,
almost to the exclusion of all other criteria, and as such
have been focussed on youth, developing nations etc, this is
obviously a noble goal, and one that we do need to keep a
focus on, many people claim its the cornerstone of the
legitimacy of the multistakeholder and IG model, and I don’t
necessarily disagree. But we have a huge gap, once people have
stepped over the threshold…. Not much happens and we lose
those people that could have become productive members of the
community.</div>
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<div>I think we need to take a serious look at our ability to
engage and manage people who want to get into the nitty gritty
details, because we are so incredibly understaffed in that
area that its a serious concern of mine. And that means
opening our support systems to anyone who can demonstrate
knowledge, ability and willingness to perform as a volunteer.
Wether these end up as two separate streams of engagement
across the various I* organisations is for others to
determine, but I do think that we need to realise and accept
that we have a capacity problem that we are not fixing despite
our efforts, and we should take a hard hard look at excluding
potential applicants who can be converted into the people on
the front lines, building policy, ensuring our agenda is heard
and doing the work. If we exclude these people based on
arbitrary criteria then we are doing ourselves a disservice I
think. If someone is willing to get involved and do the work I
don’t think we should care if they are 18 or 80, from the US
or from Uzbekistan, I feel that we almost don’t have that
luxury yet, or if we feel we do, then we need a parallel
program for those willing to do the heavy lifting.</div>
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<div>-James</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday 8 July
2016 at 12:18<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Nadira Alaraj <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
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<div>Hi Nadira</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I think you are missing the
point. We need to do three things IMO...</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">1. Respect and cherish our
Internet heroes who have been fighting to good fight for
so long. Learn from them while challenging their legacy
strategies,</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">2. Encourage and develop new,
younger, talent and position them for future leadership
roles,</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">3. Create a pathway for new,
experienced people who can increase the breadth of
experience available and bring proven strategies that have
not been envisaged by the 'old hands' or the emerging
talent.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Enforcing quotas will
inevitably work against this.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Cheers</div>
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On 8 Jul 2016, at 18:24, Nadira Alaraj <<a
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Hi Laurie,<br>
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Getting "new" leaders doesn't come overnight, we
need time to prepare younger generation to
understand and get them engaged into the community.
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If there is no such programs -including activities
carried by individual chapters- how do we get large
base of younger generation to understand Internet
Governance and be the future leaders?<br>
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From my perspective, for those >40 if by now they
are not empowered to be a leaders, it is not easy to
change their characteristic.
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As per the discussions here, I'm totally with the
allocation of travel support budget to those
involved and possible current leaders.<br>
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Nadira<br>
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<div>So you are only interested in new leaders
if they are under 40 then?</div>
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<div>Thanks for making me feel so welcome!<span
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Alejandro,<br>
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IGF Ambassadors program is under
the Next Generation Leaders
Programme,
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<div
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makes full sense to target younger
potential applicants.
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to see many of those got involved
into the Next Generation Leaders
progarmme are leaders in their
respective positions.<br>
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8, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Alejandro
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<div>Hi,<br>
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before everybody
gets carried
away... has
anyone under 40
complained about
ageism yet?<br>
<br>
</div>
This policy was
established with
several purposes
and some of them
at least have been
fulfilled
successfully.<br>
<br>
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The premise is that
a call based only on
grounds of merit and
experience has a
strong incentive to
end up selecting
largely the same set
of people again and
again, in a
self-reinfocing
feedback cycle. (who
has more experience
and more extensive
networks than those
who have attended
most meetings?<br>
<br>
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Fresh insights and new
people have to come
into our system.<br>
<br>
</div>
The policy of selecting
under-40's has been very
successful at least in
our chapter. The members
who have attended
workshops, IGFs, IETF,
and ICANN meetings have
not only acquired
knowledge and experience
but also networks of
their own, with a
younger generation as
well as with the old,
with grassroots as well
as with staff. Bringing
in insights about
today's Internet and
looking into its future,
strongly committed,
highly motivated.. just
what we were 15 or 20
years ago!!<br>
<br>
</div>
Now thanks to the policy
we have a small group, in
our case three layers
deep, of people who can
and *will* take the reins
of the Chapter in the near
future. So ISOC's
pro-under-40 policy is
actually helping our
succession planning -
isnt' that a major
responsibility we have in
chapters? - for free! <br>
<br>
</div>
Do we have a problem left to
deal with in funding
participation for the most
experienced members? yes, no
doubt. Olga, you are now a
Trustee, it's upon you (you
have the power to change the
things you do not like and
to deliver on the promise
your statement implies), and
on whoever succeeds you very
soon in your position in the
Chapter Advisory Council as
well.) (I'm sure the CHAC
is also considering this
issue.)<br>
<br>
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<div>Yours,<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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Thu, Jul 7, 2016
at 3:01 PM,
Ricardo Holmquist
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Thank you very
much Glenn,
<div>Have the
same feeling,
for the ones
over 50 , that
actually have
to work hard
to make the
local IGF a
reality, with
almost no help
from the
former fellows
is
discouraging.
Hope this
changes, not
only in ISOC,
but in some
other I
Organizations,
where it is
not written,
but at the end
is the main
criteria. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ricardo
Holmquist<span></span><br>
<br>
El Thursday,
July 7, 2016,
Glenn McKnight
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<div dir="ltr">The
call for IGF
Ambassadors
has opened for
IGF Mexico.
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<div>Note the
limitations </div>
<div><span
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criteria</span><br>
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IGF
Ambassadorships
are for young
Internet
Society
members who
have a strong
interest in
the issues and
themes of the
IGF.
Ambassadorship
awards are
available for
first-time and
returning
ambassadors. Selection
for the
Ambassadorships
is
competitive.
All applicants
must be: </div>
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<b><u>between
the ages of 20
and 40</u></b></li>
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a member of
the Internet
Society </li>
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able to
present a
strong
motivation for
attending the
IGF meeting</li>
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able to
demonstrate
interest and
expertise in
issues on the
IGF agenda</li>
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able to
demonstrate
experience in
leading
Internet
governance
discussions at
the
international
level and in
multi-cultural
environments</li>
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capable of
appropriately
represent the
Internet
Society and
its views and
policies as an
Ambassador
during the IGF</li>
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capable of
continuing to
work with the
Internet
Society
locally after
the IGF.</li>
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<div>I am
curious how
the <b><i>Internet
is for
Everyone, </i></b>but
why does ISOC
continues to
limit the
ambassadors to
under 40 years
old.
Interesting
since ARIN
Fellowship or
ICANN has
removed this
obvious
discrimination
against
dedicated
volunteers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wonder
how many
previous
candidates
actually
worked with
the local
chapters after
the IGF. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Recently
at ICANN we
reviewed all
the fellows
based upon
their
self-identified
sectors and
countries and
the bias has
been for
World Least
Developed
economies-
this has meant
that US
territories
in the South
Pacific,
first
Nations, poor
and rural
Americans
were not
eligible. We
have stated
for years
that this is
unfair to
Canadian and
US first
nations/indigenous
( can be
treated as
independent
tribal
governments)
. ICANN is
now
reexamining
their criteria
with a
noteworthy
change to
allow first
nations people
to
participate. </div>
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