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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">This could be easily
solved by removing this quota, but instituting another one - say
that the goal is for the majority of the selected people to be
under 40. <br>
There should not be discrimination, based on age, race, gender, or
any other form. But there could be a requirement for more younger
people to apply / be chosen. <br>
If there's an age limit, they may end up with no candidates at all,
or no good candidates. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/07/16 17:18, Alejandro Pisanty
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<div>Hi,<br>
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before everybody gets carried away... has anyone
under 40 complained about ageism yet?<br>
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This policy was established with several purposes
and some of them at least have been fulfilled
successfully.<br>
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The premise is that a call based only on grounds of
merit and experience has a strong incentive to end up
selecting largely the same set of people again and
again, in a self-reinfocing feedback cycle. (who has
more experience and more extensive networks than those
who have attended most meetings?<br>
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Fresh insights and new people have to come into our
system.<br>
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The policy of selecting under-40's has been very
successful at least in our chapter. The members who have
attended workshops, IGFs, IETF, and ICANN meetings have
not only acquired knowledge and experience but also
networks of their own, with a younger generation as well
as with the old, with grassroots as well as with staff.
Bringing in insights about today's Internet and looking
into its future, strongly committed, highly motivated..
just what we were 15 or 20 years ago!!<br>
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Now thanks to the policy we have a small group, in our case
three layers deep, of people who can and *will* take the
reins of the Chapter in the near future. So ISOC's
pro-under-40 policy is actually helping our succession
planning - isnt' that a major responsibility we have in
chapters? - for free! <br>
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Do we have a problem left to deal with in funding
participation for the most experienced members? yes, no doubt.
Olga, you are now a Trustee, it's upon you (you have the power
to change the things you do not like and to deliver on the
promise your statement implies), and on whoever succeeds you
very soon in your position in the Chapter Advisory Council as
well.) (I'm sure the CHAC is also considering this issue.)<br>
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<div>Yours,<br>
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<div>Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, David
Vyorst <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM,
Ricardo Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a
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you very much Glenn,
<div>Have the same feeling, for the ones over 50 ,
that actually have to work hard to make the local
IGF a reality, with almost no help from the former
fellows is discouraging. Hope this changes, not only
in ISOC, but in some other I Organizations, where it
is not written, but at the end is the main
criteria. </div>
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<div>Best</div>
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<div>Ricardo Holmquist<span></span><br>
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El Thursday, July 7, 2016, Glenn McKnight <<a
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target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">The call for IGF Ambassadors has
opened for IGF Mexico.
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<div>Note the limitations </div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(0,124,195);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1.333em;line-height:17.92px">Selection
criteria</span><br>
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<div
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;color:rgb(46,46,46);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:17.92px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">IGF
Ambassadorships are for young Internet
Society members who have a strong interest
in the issues and themes of the IGF.
Ambassadorship awards are available for
first-time and returning
ambassadors. Selection for the
Ambassadorships is competitive. All
applicants must be: </div>
<ul style="margin:0px 0px 20px
8px;padding:0px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;color:rgb(46,46,46);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:17.92px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat"><b><u>between the ages
of 20 and 40</u></b></li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat">a member of the
Internet Society </li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat">able to present a
strong motivation for attending the IGF
meeting</li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat">able to demonstrate
interest and expertise in issues on the
IGF agenda</li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat">able to demonstrate
experience in leading Internet governance
discussions at the international level and
in multi-cultural environments</li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat">capable of
appropriately represent the Internet
Society and its views and policies as an
Ambassador during the IGF</li>
<li style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 2px
8px;font-size:12.8px;vertical-align:top;border:0px;list-style:none;background:url("")
0px 7px no-repeat">capable of continuing
to work with the Internet Society locally
after the IGF.</li>
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<div>I am curious how the <b><i>Internet
is for Everyone, </i></b>but why
does ISOC continues to limit the
ambassadors to under 40 years old.
Interesting since ARIN Fellowship or
ICANN has removed this obvious
discrimination against dedicated
volunteers</div>
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<div>I wonder how many previous candidates
actually worked with the local chapters
after the IGF. </div>
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<div>Recently at ICANN we reviewed all
the fellows based upon their
self-identified sectors and countries
and the bias has been for World Least
Developed economies- this has meant that
US territories in the South Pacific,
first Nations, poor and rural
Americans were not eligible. We have
stated for years that this is unfair to
Canadian and US first
nations/indigenous ( can be treated as
independent tribal governments) . ICANN
is now reexamining their criteria with
a noteworthy change to allow first
nations people to participate. </div>
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<div>Does anyone else feel that ISOC's
ambassador program suffers from ageism?</div>
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<div>Glenn</div>
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<div>Glenn</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>
skype gmcknight<br>
twitter gmcknight<br>
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