<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>this is an interesting discussion, these are some comments and ideas I want to share with you:</div><div><br></div><div>- The Chapters Advisor Committee is now organized and will help the chapters to address concerns to the ISOC Board. In the CAC there are also regional representatives that will help mobilizing activities and capturing concerns at the regional level.</div><div><br></div><div>- The ISOC regional officies are doing very well, our experience in Latin America and the Caribbean is very good, so this fact should leverage participation and involvement at the regional level of all the chapters.</div><div><br></div><div>- Language is a barrier. Using English as a common language is fine but this means a limitation to many.</div><div><br></div><div>- Use of email lists: for more than a decade I have been participating in working groups, councils, etc, that use as a major communication tool email lists and my experience is that in terms of active participants a low percentage are the active ones, a larger percentage are in listen mode and there are others that simply do not participate at all.  In some academic projects I also use wikis, that serve as a repository of the comments, shared files and other information. Reactions to wikis are also diverse, as some find it ok and others do not.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards to all</div><div><br></div><div>Olga</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-11 11:05 GMT-03:00 John More <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">From what I can see, the creation of the ChAC is already have a beneficial effect.  Chapters and Chapters leaders have more of a place to focus efforts.  As a former professor of Roman history, I would also agree that Rome was not built in a day.<div><br></div><div>ISOC lists are useful, but I do find over the years that they can be distorted by participants who bring with them too much historical memory.  IMHO one of the benefits of the ChAC is that they can prepare surveys, which can be better able to elicit the concerns of the Chapters.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">John More</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 11, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Peter Koch <<a href="mailto:pk@isoc.de" target="_blank">pk@ISOC.DE</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 03:22:22PM +0200, Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">+1.<br><br>On 11/04/16 13:20, Richard Hill wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for this. Here is my transcription of what Bob said:<br><br>?One thing that I?m very excited about the [Chapters] Advisory Council is<span> </span><br>that it will be the voice of all the chapters. I have a<br>lot of personal experience about E-Mail lists and sometimes you hear from<span> </span><br>some people but you don?t necessarily hear from all of<br>them. I believe that the Advisory Council can present a global view, a<span> </span><br>view of all the chapters, so I think that that will be very<br>good.?<br><br>For what it is worth, I agree with Bob.<br></blockquote></blockquote><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">I am not sure I understand the issue.  Is this a question of tools or</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">a question of discussion style or a question of composition of the</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">"committee" (be that this list or the AC)?</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Mailing lists might have their deficiencies, but from all I've seen,</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">"social" media do not necessarily encourage in-depth, nuanced debate</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">in any better way.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">The superficial "+1" style that has found its way into email as well</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">(not looking at anyone in particular) may increase numbers and thus</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">broaden the basis, but only as long as you are a a believer in quantity.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">-Peter</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">PS: and apologies to Mohamed El Bashir for carrying him along off-thread</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Chapter Portal (AMS):<span> </span></span><a href="https://portal.isoc.org/" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div>