<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Louis and others</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Fadi Chehade back in 2014 said, "</font><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px;display:inline"></div><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px">the Chinese of course expect 'One Internet, one world' means they have a seat at the table. <b>That seat at the table was impossible so long as ICANN is, still today or will continue to be, under contract to the U.S. government.</b>" (emphasis added.) </span><font color="#000000" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM</a> </span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px">That was my source that mainland Chinese were effectively excluded.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px">I confirmed with him the accuracy of the quote. </span><i style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px">Fadi like anyone else could have made a mistake, but the absence of board members who publicly take the point of view of "The group of 77" is compelling.</i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px">I don't doubt your good faith (or George Sadowsky's for example.) </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px">I took a look at the </span>nomcom<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"> members and almost none </span>look<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"> sympathetic to the changes in governance most countries support.</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.25px;line-height:16.25px"> </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><h1 style="margin:0px 0px 18px"><a href="http://netpolicynews.com/89-r/272-fadi-chehade-speaks-about-china-nov-24-2014" title="Fadi Chehadé speaks about China - Nov 24 2014" style="color:rgb(19,40,69);font-size:39px;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1;text-decoration:none;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial" target="_blank">Fadi Chehadé speaks about China - Nov 24 2014</a><div class="gmail_default" style="color:inherit;font-size:39px;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1;font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM</a></h1><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px"><span style="font-size:12pt">From an event in the Manhattan Borough President's office. The earlier part of the meeting was about the .nyc domain. Fadi also discussed other things, including this about China.</span></p><blockquote style="padding:9px 18px;margin:0px 0px 18px;border-left-width:5px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">"Our danger really was that the Chinese were going to announce they will have their own Internet and run away with their own root and leave us kind of a second Internet. That was the biggest danger we were facing. (Audience question) What would happen if they did? (Fadi continued) If they did, and it's a good point, if the Chinese separated their Internet I think the Internet as we know it - as a single platform to share ideas, to share commerce, with a minimum of barriers, with a minimum friction - inevitably if they separate the root we will have friction between the networks. They'll put rules, they'll connect walls.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">To get into their Internet you need "x". To get out of their Internet you need "y." That's not the Internet we want. We want an Internet that is open as Tim Berners-Lee would say. That information and ideas and commerce flows through it. I think it very important to know that that danger largely is behind us. I just came from China yesterday and China has made clear announcements that they are now supporting ICANN, [inaudible] ICANN. They are legitimizing the root of ICANN, legitimizing that we want one single Internet. That's extremely powerful and notable this year. (Borough President Gail Brewer said) Congratulations. (Fadi continues) Yes, it is a huge, huge step forward for us.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">Now, we are watching, we are not naive about the importance of this event and the importance of what it means. So in [inaudible] this week I was there with the CEO of, from New York here, Thomson-Reuters, the CEO of Linkedin, the CEO of Qualcomm and many others. We went to meet with Premier ?Li and Premier ?Li asserted and confirmed again that China is for one global Internet. Now, they had never said this before London. One global Internet. One Internet, One world. [inaudible name] said.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">Now, </p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div>the Chinese of course expect "One Internet, one world" means they have a seat at the table. That seat at the table was impossible so long as ICANN is, still today or will continue to be, under contract to the U.S. government. It just wasn't [partially inaudible. Possibly congruent.<span style="font-size:11.2px">]</span> We could just not tell the Chinese you have an equal seat at the table in one global Internet but sorry to inform you the root is really under contract to the U.S. government. It just wasn't going to go. I think this is pretty obvious at a basic level. Now, getting it all done is complicated and here we are."<p></p></blockquote><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px"><span style="font-size:12pt"> Recorded by Joly MacFie of ISOC-NY, who has <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM&feature=youtu.be" style="color:rgb(19,40,69);text-decoration:none;background:transparent" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">posted it <span>on YouTube</span></span></a>. The rest of the 90 minute event also will soon be posted. </span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><h1 style="font-size:39px;margin:0px 0px 18px;color:inherit;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1"><a href="http://netpolicynews.com/89-r/272-fadi-chehade-speaks-about-china-nov-24-2014" title="Fadi Chehadé speaks about China - Nov 24 2014" style="color:rgb(19,40,69);text-decoration:none;background:transparent" target="_blank">Fadi Chehadé speaks about China - Nov 24 2014</a></h1><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px"><span style="font-size:12pt">From an event in the Manhattan Borough President's office. The earlier part of the meeting was about the .nyc domain. Fadi also discussed other things, including this about China.</span></p><blockquote style="padding:9px 18px;margin:0px 0px 18px;border-left-width:5px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">"Our danger really was that the Chinese were going to announce they will have their own Internet and run away with their own root and leave us kind of a second Internet. That was the biggest danger we were facing. (Audience question) What would happen if they did? (Fadi continued) If they did, and it's a good point, if the Chinese separated their Internet I think the Internet as we know it - as a single platform to share ideas, to share commerce, with a minimum of barriers, with a minimum friction - inevitably if they separate the root we will have friction between the networks. They'll put rules, they'll connect walls.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">To get into their Internet you need "x". To get out of their Internet you need "y." That's not the Internet we want. We want an Internet that is open as Tim Berners-Lee would say. That information and ideas and commerce flows through it. I think it very important to know that that danger largely is behind us. I just came from China yesterday and China has made clear announcements that they are now supporting ICANN, [inaudible] ICANN. They are legitimizing the root of ICANN, legitimizing that we want one single Internet. That's extremely powerful and notable this year. (Borough President Gail Brewer said) Congratulations. (Fadi continues) Yes, it is a huge, huge step forward for us.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">Now, we are watching, we are not naive about the importance of this event and the importance of what it means. So in [inaudible] this week I was there with the CEO of, from New York here, Thomson-Reuters, the CEO of Linkedin, the CEO of Qualcomm and many others. We went to meet with Premier ?Li and Premier ?Li asserted and confirmed again that China is for one global Internet. Now, they had never said this before London. One global Internet. One Internet, One world. [inaudible name] said.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">Now, </p><h1 style="font-size:39px;margin:0px 0px 18px;color:inherit;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1"><a href="http://netpolicynews.com/89-r/272-fadi-chehade-speaks-about-china-nov-24-2014" title="Fadi Chehadé speaks about China - Nov 24 2014" style="color:rgb(19,40,69);text-decoration:none;background:transparent" target="_blank">Fadi Chehadé speaks about China - Nov 24 2014</a></h1><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px"><span style="font-size:12pt">From an event in the Manhattan Borough President's office. The earlier part of the meeting was about the .nyc domain. Fadi also discussed other things, including this about China.</span></p><blockquote style="padding:9px 18px;margin:0px 0px 18px;border-left-width:5px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">"Our danger really was that the Chinese were going to announce they will have their own Internet and run away with their own root and leave us kind of a second Internet. That was the biggest danger we were facing. (Audience question) What would happen if they did? (Fadi continued) If they did, and it's a good point, if the Chinese separated their Internet I think the Internet as we know it - as a single platform to share ideas, to share commerce, with a minimum of barriers, with a minimum friction - inevitably if they separate the root we will have friction between the networks. They'll put rules, they'll connect walls.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">To get into their Internet you need "x". To get out of their Internet you need "y." That's not the Internet we want. We want an Internet that is open as Tim Berners-Lee would say. That information and ideas and commerce flows through it. I think it very important to know that that danger largely is behind us. I just came from China yesterday and China has made clear announcements that they are now supporting ICANN, [inaudible] ICANN. They are legitimizing the root of ICANN, legitimizing that we want one single Internet. That's extremely powerful and notable this year. (Borough President Gail Brewer said) Congratulations. (Fadi continues) Yes, it is a huge, huge step forward for us.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">Now, we are watching, we are not naive about the importance of this event and the importance of what it means. So in [inaudible] this week I was there with the CEO of, from New York here, Thomson-Reuters, the CEO of Linkedin, the CEO of Qualcomm and many others. We went to meet with Premier ?Li and Premier ?Li asserted and confirmed again that China is for one global Internet. Now, they had never said this before London. One global Internet. One Internet, One world. [inaudible name] said.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5">Now, the Chinese of course expect "One Internet, one world" means they have a seat at the table. That seat at the table was impossible so long as ICANN is, still today or will continue to be, under contract to the U.S. government. It just wasn't [partially inaudible. Possibly congruent.<span style="font-size:11.2px">]</span> We could just not tell the Chinese you have an equal seat at the table in one global Internet but sorry to inform you the root is really under contract to the U.S. government. It just wasn't going to go. I think this is pretty obvious at a basic level. Now, getting it all done is complicated and here we are."</p></blockquote><p style="margin:0px;font-size:16.25px;line-height:1.5"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.8571px"> Recorded by Joly MacFie of ISOC-NY, who has</span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.8571px"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM&feature=youtu.be" style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.8571px;color:rgb(19,40,69);text-decoration:none;background:transparent" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">posted it <span>on YouTube</span></span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.8571px">. The rest of the 90 minute event also will soon be posted. </span>It just wasn't [partially inaudible. Possibly congruent.<span style="font-size:11.2px">]</span> We could just not tell the Chinese you have an equal seat at the table in one global Internet but sorry to inform you the root is really under contract to the U.S. government. It just wasn't going to go. I think this is pretty obvious at a basic level. Now, getting it all done is complicated and here we are."</p></blockquote><p style="margin:0px 0px 9px"><span style="font-size:12pt"> Recorded by Joly MacFie of ISOC-NY, who has <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFk-fcuTEM&feature=youtu.be" style="color:rgb(19,40,69);text-decoration:none;background:transparent" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">posted it <span>on YouTube</span></span></a>. The rest of the 90 minute event also will soon be posted. </span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Louis Houle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:louis.houle@oricom.ca" target="_blank">louis.houle@oricom.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Dave,<br>
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And other candidates from China have been considered also during my
term on the NomCom of ICANN. If they were not elected, it's not an
exclusion matter. Candidates are considered all alike. Criterias
don't come from the US Gov. I find your point of view a little bit
short on this, with all my respect.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div>though this may puncture a balloon, there has been at least
one Chinese citizen, national and resident in the ICANN
Board. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Dave
Burstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>></span>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kathy and folk,
with respect</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Using the name
Internet Society of CHina is tasteless, but there are
much more important issues in this discussion. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">China has twice
as many Internet users as the U.S. and the gap is
growing at 5-8M users per year. Africa is about to pass
315M Internet users, the entire population of the United
States. (Cisco data.) Cheap smartphones are bringing two
<u>billion</u> more people to the Internet. We all think
that's a great thing. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><b>I do not
believe Internet governance (or ISOC) can be effective
with the majority of world Internet users excluded.</b>
As Ambassador Phil Verveer said to me the night of the
ITU WCIT vote, "We must build bridges."</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><b>It's time for
a Nixon Goes to China move for the Internet. </b>Kathy,
Vint or whoever is leading us should be finding a way to
work with all nations. Bob Kahn, an Internet Society
founder, might be one natural link. He spoke at that
conference in China, as did several other Internet
Society supporters.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not blind to
how many people starved in the 1950's in China, what
happened at Tiananmen Square, or the speech limitations
in China today. I'm also not blind to what America did
in Vietnam or the $billions being spent to buy the U.S.
elections. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm sure we all
can make lawyer-like arguments here. But it's missing
the key issue. We need to solve the North-South divide
about the Internet.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In Dubai at the
WCIT a few hours before that vote, I asked Larry
Strickling why the U.S. was fighting so hard over what
seemed to me some very minor issues, at most of symbolic
value. He looked at me and asked, "Dave, do you want
Russia or China to be running the Internet?" We both
went back to work.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Later, I realized
I should have said, "Of course I want Russia and China
to have a meaningful role. If we continue to exclude
them, ultimately the Internet will split." </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I did not know at
that time that no Chinese were on the Board of ICANN
because that would not be acceptable to the U.S.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The Internet
Society should be leading the way. Excluding China - and
so many others - I believe will fail.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Which doesn't say
anything about whether this is the right way to handle
who is a civil society group. That's a side issue. The
big question is whether the ICANN board and the decision
makers of all important groups here see more than one
side of the North South divide.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dave
Burstein. </div>
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