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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">John, <br>
nice to hear your opinion. Just for clarification - is there any
dependance between ISOC and ISOC Chapter?<br>
Grigori Saghyan <br>
ISOC.AM<br>
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On 23.02.2016 1:18, JOHN MORE wrote:<br>
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<div>Alan</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Under your regime, anyone could use
Internet Society for any purpose, including ones antithetical to
what ISOC stands for. NGO's have just as much need for
protection as anyone. <br>
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John More
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On Feb 22, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Alan Levin <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za">alan@isoc.org.za</a></a>>
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<div>Hi,
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<div>On 22 Feb 2016, at 12:59 PM, Vint Cerf <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vint@google.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">actually, the concept of trademark
and copyright is not US-centric. There is something call
the World Intellectual Property Organization and
its membership is quite international.<br>
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<div>Yes, although afaik sadly many governments were
pressurised into joining WIPO (primarily by the US) and
have not always done it for the right intentions… <br>
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<div>I have always believed that the ISOC is a proponent of
openness in all it's forms and imho the term "Internet
Society" should rather follow a more commons approach...</div>
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<div>Sincerely</div>
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<div>Alan</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:36 AM,
Alan Levin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za">alan@isoc.org.za</a>> wrote:<br>
Vint,<br>
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On 21 Feb 2016, at 8:41 PM, Vint Cerf <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vint@google.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Alan, the question is whether
these chapters usurp the good name of the Internet
Society for their own purposes and give others the
impression that their works are sanctioned by the
organisation. <br>
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Thank you so much for your wisdom always :)<br>
<br>
I agree!<br>
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And my note was just to say that I do not believe that the
Chinese Internet Society do that. If anything they keep us
all wide awake especially with regards to the US
centricity of the concept of "Intellectual Property".<br>
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Sincerely<br>
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Alan<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:39 AM,
Alan Levin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za">alan@isoc.org.za</a>>
wrote:<br>
Hi Glenn,<br>
<br>
ISOC South Africa has a peer based relationship with
ISOC China. We respect their reasons for not falling
under the paternalistic banner of ISOC global and we
believe that they do good work within their cultural
boundaries. We tow the line as best as we can as a
Chapter structure although at the same time we respect
our rights to sovereignty in our geography. As far as I
know ISOC China has never claimed to be an ISOC Chapter
and is overtly sovereign.<br>
<br>
If you're speaking about elections, I'm not sure if
someone pushing the intellectual property of a community
based organisation rates above issues like education,
policy making, public participation, etc.<br>
<br>
Sincerely<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
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On 21 Feb 2016, at 5:58 PM, Glenn McKnight <<a
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href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Hi All<br>
> For the record I have been asking for our
attention to the ISOC Toronto issue for three years.
As one of the advocates to create a legitimate ISOC
Chapter in Canada ( one of two) this group not only
steals the site but is gathering information on
interested parties. How many people have surrendered
their contact information to a mystery group without
any accountability.<br>
><br>
> If ISOC allows it's brand to be stolen, hijacked
and misrepresented by false and misleading groups we
have a serious problem.<br>
><br>
> I would like the silent nominees for the ISOC
Board get off their hands and wade into this issue.
This should be an election issue that forces the
nominees into the discussion. If they are silent why
are they running for the board?<br>
> Glenn<br>
><br>
> Glenn McKnight<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>
> skype gmcknight<br>
> twitter gmcknight<br>
> .<br>
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> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Kende
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href="mailto:kende@isoc.org">kende@isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Based on previous experience, I believe China would
be difficult regardless of trademark issues. But if you
click on the isoctoronto link below, they seem to have
actually hijacked our whole website, which adds
significantly to the confusion. Michael<br>
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> Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On 21 Feb 2016, at 16:07, Vint Cerf <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vint@google.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
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>> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet
Society brand - they eventually rebranded themselves, I
believe. I am really unhappy about this kind of thing. I
tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they
changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have
been using the name for a long time without any
affiliation. I think it may be hard to get them to stop
- the trademark world is rife with cases where failure
to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet"
cannot be trademarked except it has to refer to the
"network of networks" we call "Internet" (a ten year
battle against a banking consortium that was granted the
trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and
$100K in legal fees and only went away when there was a
change in management that didn't think it was worth
fighting further.).<br>
>><br>
>> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig
into this further.<br>
>><br>
>> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for
"internet society" ?<br>
>><br>
>> v<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Hi Folks<br>
>> Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include
the civil society organization called Internet
Society China into the ALS membership of APRALO. They
are not a ISOC Chapter.<br>
>><br>
>> I have tried to bring up the issue of
organizations that confuse the public as to what is a
legitimate ISOC chapter. But no one has taken notice.<br>
>><br>
>> I have been notified ISOC that the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.isoctoronto.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.isoctoronto.org">www.isoctoronto.org</a></a>
has been a rogue site for a few years I am
including a screencapture of the registration page they
have people falsely add their information.<br>
>> We need to have a process of dealing with
these type of false or rogue sites that misinform the
public. Since ISOC is branding itself as a viable
strong organization and it turns a blind eye to this
situation we have a problem.<br>
>> Glenn<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Glenn McKnight<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>
>> skype gmcknight<br>
>> twitter gmcknight<br>
>> .<br>
>><br>
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