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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I support this position. I am specialist in International Trademark Law and I believe that the only way to prevent infringement of the rights of ISOC is filing trademark registration all over the world protecting its name, logo and any other IP assets that the organization owns. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are a few old institutions like Red Cross that have a special status and arrangements with WIPO but this way is so complicated that I do not recommend to try to go in this way. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hector<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-AR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Héctor Ariel Manoff<br><b>Vitale, Manoff & Feilbogen<br></b>Viamonte 1145 10º Piso<br>C1053ABW Buenos Aires<br>República Argentina<br>Te: (54-11) 4371-6100<br>Fax: (54-11) 4371-6365<br>E-mail: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:amanoff@vmf.com.ar"><span lang=ES-AR style='color:black'>amanoff@vmf.com.ar</span></a></span><span lang=ES-AR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Web: <a href="http://www.vmf.com.ar/"><span style='color:black'>http://www.vmf.com.ar</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-AR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>****************************************************************************************************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-AR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Esta comunicación tiene como destinatario a la persona o empresa a la cual está dirigida y puede contener información confidencial y reservada. 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If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and return the original message to us at the above address. </span><span lang=ES-AR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-AR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>****************************************************************************************************************************************************</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <b>En nombre de </b>Carlos Vera Quintana<br><b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 23 de febrero de 2016 5:54<br><b>Para:</b> Vint Cerf<br><b>CC:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It should be interesting if ISOC prevent future IP rights violations in those countries where this does not happen yet. Registering the brand-name-slogan-logo is a first step.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Carlos Vera<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Carlos Vera Quintana<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>0988141143<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sígueme @cveraq<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>El 22 feb 2016, a las 6:18 a.m., Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Richard <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>you fail to mention France, Germany, Italy among others that have been on the far edge of intellectual property demands (including treating hyperlinks as if they were copyright violations). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>v<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Indeed the concepts of trademark, copyright, and patent are international concepts, and indeed key treaties are negotiated in the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). But in recent years, the push continually to strengthen intellectual property rights has come from the US, and the US has not hesitated to go forum shopping when it was unable to get what it wanted in WIPO. See for example the TRIPS agreements made in WTO, and the attempt to get ACTA agreed. See also the extension of the duration of copyright that is in the TPP.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Best,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Richard</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vint Cerf<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 22, 2016 12:00<br><b>To:</b> Alan Levin<br><b>Cc:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>actually, the concept of trademark and copyright is not US-centric. There is something call the World Intellectual Property Organization and its membership is quite international.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>v<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Alan Levin <<a href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za" target="_blank">alan@isoc.org.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Vint,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>On 21 Feb 2016, at 8:41 PM, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Alan, the question is whether these chapters usurp the good name of the Internet Society for their own purposes and give others the impression that their works are sanctioned by the organisation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Thank you so much for your wisdom always :)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I agree!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>And my note was just to say that I do not believe that the Chinese Internet Society do that. If anything they keep us all wide awake especially with regards to the US centricity of the concept of "Intellectual Property".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Sincerely<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Alan Levin <<a href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za" target="_blank">alan@isoc.org.za</a>> wrote:<br>Hi Glenn,<br><br>ISOC South Africa has a peer based relationship with ISOC China. We respect their reasons for not falling under the paternalistic banner of ISOC global and we believe that they do good work within their cultural boundaries. We tow the line as best as we can as a Chapter structure although at the same time we respect our rights to sovereignty in our geography. As far as I know ISOC China has never claimed to be an ISOC Chapter and is overtly sovereign.<br><br>If you're speaking about elections, I'm not sure if someone pushing the intellectual property of a community based organisation rates above issues like education, policy making, public participation, etc.<br><br>Sincerely<br><br>Alan<br><br>On 21 Feb 2016, at 5:58 PM, Glenn McKnight <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi All<br>> For the record I have been asking for our attention to the ISOC Toronto issue for three years. As one of the advocates to create a legitimate ISOC Chapter in Canada ( one of two) this group not only steals the site but is gathering information on interested parties. How many people have surrendered their contact information to a mystery group without any accountability.<br>><br>> If ISOC allows it's brand to be stolen, hijacked and misrepresented by false and misleading groups we have a serious problem.<br>><br>> I would like the silent nominees for the ISOC Board get off their hands and wade into this issue. This should be an election issue that forces the nominees into the discussion. If they are silent why are they running for the board?<br>> Glenn<br>><br>> Glenn McKnight<br>> <a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>> skype gmcknight<br>> twitter gmcknight<br>> .<br>><br>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Kende <<a href="mailto:kende@isoc.org" target="_blank">kende@isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br>> Based on previous experience, I believe China would be difficult regardless of trademark issues. But if you click on the isoctoronto link below, they seem to have actually hijacked our whole website, which adds significantly to the confusion. Michael<br>><br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>><br>> On 21 Feb 2016, at 16:07, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).<br>>><br>>> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.<br>>><br>>> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?<br>>><br>>> v<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Hi Folks<br>>> Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil society organization called Internet Society China into the ALS membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter.<br>>><br>>> I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that confuse the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter. But no one has taken notice.<br>>><br>>> I have been notified ISOC that the <a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org" target="_blank">www.isoctoronto.org</a> has been a rogue site for a few years I am including a screencapture of the registration page they have people falsely add their information.<br>>> We need to have a process of dealing with these type of false or rogue sites that misinform the public. Since ISOC is branding itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to this situation we have a problem.<br>>> Glenn<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Glenn McKnight<br>>> <a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>>> skype gmcknight<br>>> twitter gmcknight<br>>> .<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> New postal address:<br>>> Google<br>>> 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor<br>>> Reston, VA 20190<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>> Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org" target="_blank">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br><br><br><br>-- <br>New postal address:<br>Google<br>1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor<br>Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>--<br>Alan Levin<br><a href="tel:%2B27%2021%20300%200340" target="_blank">+27 21 300 0340</a><br><br><br><image001.png><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>New postal address:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Google<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>New postal address:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Google<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>