<div dir="ltr">APRALO, during its internal due diligence process at the time ISC's application was processed a few months back, had inquired about the name (among other things). <br><br>The response we got was that the similarity in name was a historical coincidence rather than any wilful attempt to appropriate the ISOC name or goodwill. At that time, we chose to go ahead in good faith, and not make an issue of this (noting also that ICANN as well other IG institutions had partnered with ISC for different programs in the past).<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>satish<br><br><br>--<br>Satish Babu<br>Vice Chair, APRALO<br>Chair, ISOC-TRV<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:57 AM, Veni Markovski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com" target="_blank">veni@veni.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">When I was on the board of trustees of ISOC, Lynn sent this letter to the Economist. It may be helpful for the history, but also to show that many things have changed since 2002.<span></span> <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/1352732" target="_blank">http://www.economist.com/node/1352732</a><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><h2 style="border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Chinese wall</span></font></h2><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"></p><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">SIR – Your article on censorship of the Internet in China referred to an organisation backed by the Chinese government that calls itself the Internet Society of China (“<a href="http://www.economist.com/node/1318573" style="border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Stop your searching</a>”, September 7th). I want to make it clear that this group is in no way affiliated to the Internet Society (<span style="border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">ISOC</span>), a global not-for-profit membership organisation founded in 1991 to provide leadership in Internet-related standards, education and policy development.</span></font></p><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The attempt at censorship in China is diametrically opposed to our principles and we would never endorse a pledge to limit the dissemination of information nor similar actions that you describe. <span style="border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">ISOC</span>'s primary mission is to expand stable and secure use of the Internet worldwide and to encourage openness, transparency and democratic processes. Access to the Internet is an important ingredient in the free flow of information necessary for the long-term welfare of all countries. Government-imposed limitations on access to search engines, as proposed by China, serve neither citizens nor their governments.</span></font></p><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Lynn St Amour</span></font></p><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">President and CEO</span></font></p><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Internet Society</span></font></p><p style="border:0px;margin:1.8rem 0px 0px;padding:0px 1.2rem;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none"><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Reston, Virginia</span></font></p></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><br>On Sunday, February 21, 2016, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Keith,<div><br></div><div>in that case, it would have been appropriate for the NZ group to select a different name - I was much put out by the action of this group as you can no doubt tell. I definitely did not take this as a compliment.</div><div><br></div><div>v</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Keith Davidson <span dir="ltr"><<a>keith@internetnz.net.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just to clarify Vint's comments a little, and to protect the fair name of New Zealand, "The Internet Society of New Zealand" was established in 1995 as an incorporated society, with an original idea of becoming a chapter of ISOC. ISOC-NZ's charter was primarily using ISOC's vision and mission in its constitution also. It was also formed to run the .nz ccTLD. At that time, ISOC had some draconian rules and costs for chapters, at a time that ISOC-NZ was charging about US$35 membership fee, ISOC wanted a US$50 per member patriation fee. Also, chapters were prohibited in making any public statements, which would have meant ISOC-NZ was unable to make comment on its operation of .nz without ISOC approval.<br>
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Some years later, ISOC-NZ changed its name to "Internet-NZ", and was also finally able to find a way of supporting ISOC globally through becoming an "organisational member". InternetNZ remains an ISOC organisational member, and is a strong supporter of ISOC.<br>
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So really it wasn't so much a case of a hijack, although I understand for ISOC (and Vint) it might have appeared that way. In hindsight, it would have been wiser for us to have avoided the ISOC name in NZ, but it was not any desire to capitalise on the global brand of ISOC, but much more a desire to harmonise with ISOC.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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Keith<span><br>
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On 22/02/2016 4:07 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
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ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they<br>
eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about<br>
this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they<br>
changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the<br>
name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to<br>
get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure<br>
to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be<br>
trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call<br>
"Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was<br>
granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K<br>
in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management<br>
that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).<br>
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I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.<br>
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Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?<br>
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v<br>
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On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight<br></span><span>
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Hi Folks<br>
Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil society<br>
organization called Internet Society China into the ALS<br>
membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter.<br>
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I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that confuse<br>
the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter. But no one has<br>
taken notice.<br>
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I have been notified ISOC that the <a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.isoctoronto.org</a><br></span>
<<a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.isoctoronto.org</a>> has been a rogue site for a few<span><br>
years I am including a screencapture of the registration page<br>
they have people falsely add their information.<br>
We need to have a process of dealing with these type of false or<br>
rogue sites that misinform the public. Since ISOC is branding<br>
itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to<br>
this situation we have a problem.<br>
Glenn<br>
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