<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>the issue of "Internet Society of China" runs much deeper than trademarks and other possible forms of intellectual property over the name. The key issue is the nature of the organization - and unfortunately that leads to the nature of decision making in APRALO too.</div><div><br></div><div>The ISC is *not* a self-standing, membership-driven or cause-oriented NGO comparable to most if not all chapters of ISOC, and ISOC itself. It is a policy branch of organizations driven from the top or at least which are force to toe (not tow, Alan) the party lilne. The analogy between a "party line" in ISOC and a party line in China is laughable. </div><div><br></div><div>It is very difficult - from past experience at least - to say that ISC carries the voice of at-large, general Internet users of China and thus is a legitimate At Large Structure as defined withiin the At-Large space of ICANN. On the other hand, the APRALO leadership has often been seen to act in ways that are consistent with the interpretation that they consider it necessary to yield to power- and other geopolitically-based considerations. </div><div><br></div><div>I hope some Asia-Pacific chapters which are also ALSs can deliver whatever results from a discussion in this space to the APRALO leadership. Unfortunately it will be very difficult to revert this decision even if it is proven wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>(I'm open to new information about recent changes in ISC that could upturn the above, of course.) </div><div><br></div><div>Yours,</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Eric Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com" target="_blank">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Also, trademarks are by their nature national. To protect the brand, ISOC (ours) would need to register is lots and lots of countries. That may not be possible from a legal perspective in all countries and is unquestionably cost prohibitive to register in many countries.<div><br></div><div>As for <a href="http://isoctoronto.org" target="_blank">isoctoronto.org</a>, it looks like a phishing site. That might violate .ORG terms of service. I’ll ask.<br><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 21, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Grigori Saghyan <<a href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com" target="_blank">gregor@arminco.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
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<div>In some countries NGOs have no rights
to have any foreign supervisor (may be there is a more correct
word, which describes relationship of ISOC and its Chapters ) <br>
structure, any dependance is prohibited. If ISC is in such
situation, it is better to find a solution for thier case, it is
not a simple question.<br>
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<div>Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil
society organization called Internet Society China into the
ALS membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter. </div>
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<div>I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that
confuse the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.
But no one has taken notice. </div>
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<div> I have been notified ISOC that the <a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org/" target="_blank">www.isoctoronto.org</a>
has been a rogue site for a few years I am including a
screencapture of the registration page they have people
falsely add their information. </div>
<div>We need to have a process of dealing with these type of
false or rogue sites that misinform the public. Since
ISOC is branding itself as a viable strong organization and
it turns a blind eye to this situation we have a problem.<br>
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