<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The ISC itself states it is an industry organization. They are forthright about not being what we would call a cause-based organization.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">See <a href="http://www.isc.org.cn/english/About_Us/Introduction/listinfo-15315.html" class="">http://www.isc.org.cn/english/About_Us/Introduction/listinfo-15315.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" class="">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">the issue of "Internet Society of China" runs much deeper than trademarks and other possible forms of intellectual property over the name. The key issue is the nature of the organization - and unfortunately that leads to the nature of decision making in APRALO too.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The ISC is *not* a self-standing, membership-driven or cause-oriented NGO comparable to most if not all chapters of ISOC, and ISOC itself. It is a policy branch of organizations driven from the top or at least which are force to toe (not tow, Alan) the party lilne. The analogy between a "party line" in ISOC and a party line in China is laughable. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is very difficult - from past experience at least - to say that ISC carries the voice of at-large, general Internet users of China and thus is a legitimate At Large Structure as defined withiin the At-Large space of ICANN. On the other hand, the APRALO leadership has often been seen to act in ways that are consistent with the interpretation that they consider it necessary to yield to power- and other geopolitically-based considerations. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope some Asia-Pacific chapters which are also ALSs can deliver whatever results from a discussion in this space to the APRALO leadership. Unfortunately it will be very difficult to revert this decision even if it is proven wrong.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(I'm open to new information about recent changes in ISC that could upturn the above, of course.) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yours,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Eric Burger <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com" target="_blank" class="">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Also, trademarks are by their nature national. To protect the brand, ISOC (ours) would need to register is lots and lots of countries. That may not be possible from a legal perspective in all countries and is unquestionably cost prohibitive to register in many countries.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for <a href="http://isoctoronto.org/" target="_blank" class="">isoctoronto.org</a>, it looks like a phishing site. That might violate .ORG terms of service. I’ll ask.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Grigori Saghyan <<a href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com" target="_blank" class="">gregor@arminco.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">In some countries NGOs have no rights
to have any foreign supervisor (may be there is a more correct
word, which describes relationship of ISOC and its Chapters ) <br class="">
structure, any dependance is prohibited. If ISC is in such
situation, it is better to find a solution for thier case, it is
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<div class="">Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil
society organization called Internet Society China into the
ALS membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter. </div>
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<div class="">I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that
confuse the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.
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<div class=""> I have been notified ISOC that the <a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org/" target="_blank" class=""></a><a href="http://www.isoctoronto.org/" target="_blank" class="">www.isoctoronto.org</a>
has been a rogue site for a few years I am including a
screencapture of the registration page they have people
falsely add their information. </div>
<div class="">We need to have a process of dealing with these type of
false or rogue sites that misinform the public. Since
ISOC is branding itself as a viable strong organization and
it turns a blind eye to this situation we have a problem.<br class="">
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