<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Mauro D. Rios <<a href="mailto:mdrios@gmail.com" class="">mdrios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">(español al
final)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><br class=""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">[ENG] I
think putting first and last name to the problem, citing companies or
organizations, do not contribute to a serious discussion of the problem. What
we do in this way is to delve deeper irrational fanaticism on trade policies of
large companies. We could say that one of the mentioned Eric uses a slave
company to manufacture its devices icons. So we could be fattening the list of
objections, but without further discussion of the problem.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote>My mistake for that. I agree, a particular company might have other connotations. The point was about business models in the abstract. My apologies.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"><p class="MsoNormal">Spying is
not the only thing that makes me repudiate a company, also abusive pricing
practices, where a user pays $ 1,000 a device that manufacture cost only $ 25.</p></div></div></blockquote><div>Two things on cost. The first is the bulk of the value of electronics and software is not manufacturing costs (the $25), but development costs. For example, the price of an Intel CPU is roughly USD 500. The manufacturing cost for a single CPU is on the order of USD 0.00001 (the sand that goes into the wafer). However, it costs USD 3,000,000,000 to build the plant to manufacture the CPU and about USD 1,500,000,000 to design the CPU. Just because the manufacturing cost is USD 0.00001 does not mean a fair price is USD 0.00002. Someone has to pay for the fixed capital costs of production and, more relevant to, for example, software, the costs of development.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">
Or the company that blocks the repair of one of its devices to generate exorbitant
money on their official repair centers. </span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I cannot speak outside the U.S., but this is expressly against the law in the United States. See the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act and the Clayton Antitrust Act.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Or the company that patents blocking
technologies or innovative devices that change the industry, simply because
this was not the company that manufactures or to which it occurred to invent
it.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote>Patenting X and claiming it covers Y is evil (and fixing that keeps me in business). However, if you invent X and patent X, you get exclusive rights to X in exchange for explaining the world how to build X. Society expects that Y then gets invented, and society is better off. Many countries like that bargain, giving exclusive, time-limited rights in exchange for advancing the state of the art.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"><p class="MsoNormal">So the
Internet of Things have many faces, like a dodecahedron, each face we watch,
step by step, and the firmness to defend freedom of the network and users,
protect privacy. But all this from an objective and non-fanatical vision that
does not help our interests as an organization.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><br class=""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">The
technology today allows develop tools to limit, mitigate or nullify the chances
of spy through devices, then let the fanatical philosophy against a company,
other or all, and get to work to get open and secure standards, free networks
and which we monitor precisely that are not being used as instruments of
perverse spying of citizens. Seek allies in technology related to our
objectives in this regard, organizations and develop standards, we improve
existing, updated the policies and laws, from the constructive work and not
from the spurious criticism.</span></p></div></div></blockquote>I think we agree - this is the opportunity for Chapters and the Internet Society.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><br class=""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">= = = </p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">[ESP] Creo que
poniéndole nombre propia al problema, mencionando empresas, no contribuimos a
una discusión seria del problema. Lo que hacemos de esta forma es ahondar más
los fanatismos irracionales sobre políticas comerciales de las grandes
empresas. Bien podríamos decir que una de las que menciona Eric, utiliza una
empresa esclavista para la fabricación de sus dispositivos íconos. Así
podríamos estar engordando la lista de objeciones, pero sin profundizar la
discusión del problema.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">No necesariamente el
espionaje me hace repudiar una empresa, también las prácticas abusivas de
precios, donde un usuario paga $1000 un dispositivo que costó fabricarlo sólo
$25. O aquella empresa que bloquea la reparación de uno de sus dispositivos
para generar ingresos exorbitantes en sus centros oficiales de reparación. O
aquella empresa que bloquea patentes de tecnologías o dispositivos innovadores
que cambiarían la industria, simplemente porque no fue ésta empresa la que lo
fabrica o a la que se le ocurrió inventarlo. </p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">Así que el Internet de
las cosas tiene muchas caras, como un dodecaedro, deberemos atender cada una de
ellas paso a paso y con la firmeza de defender la libertad de la red y de los
usuarios, proteger la privacidad. Pero todo ello desde una visión objetiva y no
fanática que no ayuda a nuestros intereses como organización.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">La tecnología hoy
permite desarrollar herramientas que limiten, mitiguen o anulen las
posibilidades de espiarnos a través de los dispositivos, entonces dejemos la
filosofía fanática contra una empresa, otra o todas, y pongámonos a trabajar
para conseguir estándares abiertos y seguros, redes libres y a las cuales
vigilemos precisamente para que no se estén utilizando como instrumentos
perversos de espionaje de los ciudadanos. Busquemos aliados en la tecnología,
organizaciones afines a nuestros
objetivos en este sentido, y desarrollemos estándares, mejoremos los
existentes, actualicemos las políticas y las leyes, trabajemos desde lo
constructivo y no desde la crítica espuria.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">saludos,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"></div><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:13.3333px" class="">- - - - - - - - - -</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:13.3333px" class=""><b class="">Mauro D. Ríos.-</b></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class="">e-Mail: <a href="mailto:mdrios@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mdrios@gmail.com</a></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class="">Skype: mdrios</font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class="">Twitter: mdriosuy</font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class="">Linkedin: <a href="http://uy.linkedin.com/in/maurodrios/en" target="_blank" class="">uy.linkedin.com/in/maurodrios/en</a></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class="">Google+: <a href="http://goo.gl/4TpjWM" target="_blank" class="">goo.gl/4TpjWM</a></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1" class="">Videolink2: <a href="http://videolink2.me/mauro.d.rios" target="_blank" class="">videolink2.me/mauro.d.rios</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-10 9:02 GMT-03:00 Eric Burger <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com" target="_blank" class="">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">It is a more simple question: does history repeat itself or do we learn from history.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">History repeating itself: Let’s do something like Google that is so easy to use and so pervasive so the intelligence community has a single place to go to spy on people.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Learning from history: Let’s do something like Lavabit or Apple’s alleged “throw away the key” and make it so <b class="">no one</b> can get meaningful data to spy on people.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The choice is ours.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This sounds like a great opportunity for Chapters to be out in front educating users, governments, and developers about the right way to create IoT infrastructure and applications.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 10, 2016, at 1:07 AM, Jahangir Hossain <<a href="mailto:jrjahangir@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">jrjahangir@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">Hi Glenn, <br class=""><br class="">Thanks for sharing this news. Now this is seems to be interesting from IoT architecture views . Is privacy dead in future technology ?<br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Glenn McKnight <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><h1 style="margin:0px;font-size:2.25rem;line-height:2.5rem;font-family:'Guardian Egyptian Web','Guardian Text Egyptian Web',Georgia,serif;font-weight:normal;padding-top:0.375rem;padding-bottom:2.25rem;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class="">US intelligence chief: we might use the internet of things to spy on you</h1></div><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/09/internet-of-things-smart-home-devices-government-surveillance-james-clapper" target="_blank" class="">http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/09/internet-of-things-smart-home-devices-government-surveillance-james-clapper</a><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Glenn McKnight<br class=""><a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br class="">skype gmcknight<br class="">twitter gmcknight<br class="">.</div></div></div>
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