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<div>Thank you all very much for this constructive feedback and reaction. </div>
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<div>From the comments so far it seems like there is pretty general agreement on the fact that we should revisit the SIG's concept or something similar that allows for non geographical 'structures' within a defined framework that aligns those structures with
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<div>After receiving this application Staff had already started an internal discussion around non geographical chapters and this is extremely helpful.</div>
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<div>I'm looking forward to hearing from some more people to complete the picture.</div>
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<div>Thanks a lot!</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Borka Jerman Blazic <<a href="mailto:borka@e5.ijs.si">borka@e5.ijs.si</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday 3 April 2015 10:32<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form the Internet Society Chapter on Internet of Food<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">+1 Alejandro.<br>
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The non-geographical "groups" (SIG) or Chapters should be more systematically set up.<br>
Rules, themes and some limitation in a set framework must be known between Chapters and this new body<br>
type - in case of proliferation. There must be distinction<br>
as for no other reason for the double voting pointed by Alejandro.<br>
Chapters have known mission in the locations they act, the mission of this new type<br>
of Chapter is certainly different and this type of body should be recognized someho as
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other type "sub-organization" within Internet Society. The current non-geographic<br>
chapters we have were well justified and with mission that was accepted by<br>
the majority members of ISOC. This case is different. <br>
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Dne 2.4.2015 ob 22:03 je Alejandro Pisanty zapisal(a):<br>
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<div>I fully agree on reservations on the creation of non-geographical chapters. We already have a couple good-faith efforts which I think do their work well and can allow us to study some of the in-depth issues.</div>
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<div>For me first and foremost is the question of vote-counting/double-voting. We already have some difficulties with that when we allow members to belong to more than one chapter. It doesn't seem to do much damage because the number of people in such a situation
are few (and I know of only one pathological case of membership in something like 8 chapters.) If the system of special-interest groups grows, it really changes the internal governance of ISOC and we should not step lightly. At the very least, changes must
be introduced with a clear date in which they will be assessed (and by whom etc.) so if need be they can be reverted and redirected. "It is interesting and good people want it" may be a naive motive to support but not a sufficient one.</div>
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<div>The idea of Special Interest Groups (SIGs) is interesting and worth a comprehensive look.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM, John More <span dir="ltr">
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<div>I strongly suggest that before moving to approve this type of “Chapter”, there should be discussion of whether this sort of a special interest body is really appropriate for the Chapter structure. If there already has been an examination in depth of the
issues raised, I would suggest there still needs to be some guidelines and limits on what sort of interests are appropriate for Chapter status.
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<div>I myself feel that it would be better to create an additional type of ISOC entity that could be focused on specific interests. I note that I am fully supportive of creating groups within ISOC to focus on specific interest, such as the Internet of Things,
Accessibility. Parallels can be found in other organizations. The “Interest Councils” can then be very effective in creating liaisons with the Chapters to encourage participation and interest in their area of interest.
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<div>Chapters strength comes from their having at their core a geographic base. I would not like to dilute that.</div>
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<div>On Apr 2, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Sivasubramanian M <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Though the name appears a bit strange, if the founding members have the vision, will and strength to gather the required resources in terms of membership and other forms of support, this might turn out to be a positively disruptive effort towards causing the
Internet eco-system to bring about global development. Internet has yet unexplored potential to address and swiftly resolve the world's problems.</div>
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This proposal is a step in that direction. Several other initiatives could follow. </div>
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The following application for a Chapter on Internet of Food has been<br>
received.<br>
It is being sent to this list for peer comment and review. Please note<br>
that the Chapter is not yet formed and has not been officially recognised<br>
by the Internet Society.<br>
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As this application for a topic based Chapter that would be a little<br>
different from the geography based ones, here is a little explanation of<br>
the concept (an excerpt from the application):<br>
Internet of Food is a concept equivalent to Internet of Things, though<br>
more complex and dynamic and with potentially larger impact on human life.<br>
Yet, the discussion on how we combine the power of the Internet with food<br>
is little explored in spite of its massive potential to affect key areas<br>
such as food security, transparency, health and food waste through<br>
innovation and openness. The proposed chapter on Internet of Food aims at<br>
leading the<br>
discussion regarding this new field and to engage a wide audience in<br>
building better solutions for how to feed the planet in a healthy and<br>
sustainable way.<br>
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If there are people on this list that know any of the individuals<br>
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proposing to establish the Chapter, their feedback is especially welcome.<br>
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The period allowed for comments is two weeks and the deadline is April 16,<br>
2015.<br>
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Please do not hesitate to contact me on or off list.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Tommi Karttaavi<br>
Manager, Chapter Development - Europe<br>
Internet Society<br>
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