<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Especially given NMI’s blatant, in-your-face ignoring ISOC and the community’s comments, I would offer that any suggestions from us, no matter how well intentioned or constructive will <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1. Be ignored</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2. Add legitimacy to an illegitimate organization</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, NMI ‘exists’ because Fadi says it exists. That does not mean we have any obligation to acknowledge it or feed it.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 7, 2015, at 3:24 AM, Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" class="">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><span class="623581908-07012015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">Dear
Alejandro,</font></span></div><span class="623581908-07012015">
<div class=""><br class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font color="#0000ff" class=""><font size="2" class="">Thank you for your
thoughful reply. Actually I agree that NMI is not necessary. But it is
there and it is going to do something. Given that NMI has asked for inputs
on what they should do, it seems reasonable to me to suggest that they address
the challenges that have been congently identified by
Bob.</font></font></font></div>
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<div class=""><span class="623581908-07012015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">You object to "in their respective roles", but that, as well as much
of the rest of the proposed ToR, are copy-pasted from the NETmundial outcome
document. Since NMI stated that proposals should be consistent with the
NETmundial outcome, it seemed sensible to me to incorporate parts of the
NETmundial outcome in the proposed ToR.<br class=""><br class="">Best,</font></span></div>
<div class=""><span class="623581908-07012015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">Richard</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class=""><b class="">From:</b> Alejandro Pisanty
[<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" class="">mailto:apisanty@gmail.com</a>]<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> mercredi, 7. janvier 2015
03:45<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Richard Hill<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b> Bob Hinden; ISOC Chapter
Delegates<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] A few updates on
NMI<br class=""><br class=""></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">Richard,
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<div class="">I too am very thankful to Bob Hinden and to Kathy Brown for their
reports, messages and good work.</div>
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<div class="">Let me express my profound disagreement with your statement for NMI.
First, at the most general level, it assumes that NMI is necessary, and is
read as too happy that a single, overarching Internet governance structure may
emerge.</div>
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<div class="">As far as I can tell both views have not been backed by ISOC and are in
fact contrary to ISOC's accumulated views, experience, principles and
outlook. </div>
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<div class="">Going into more detail, I oppose statements or phrases such as "in their
respective roles", for favorign a silo approach instead of a collaborative
stance, and many others. Going into further detail would drag us into a
rathole and I refuse to go that way when we have such a massive discrepancy at
the highest level.</div>
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<div class="">Yours,</div>
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<div class="">Alejandro Pisanty</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Richard Hill <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank" class="">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote" type="cite">Dear Bob,<br class=""><br class="">Thank you for this. I see that NMI
is asking for input on their Terms of<br class="">Reference.<br class=""><br class="">In light of the
challenges that you identified in your year end message, I<br class="">would propose
something like the following for the NMI:<br class=""><br class="">Recognizing that the
Internet is a global resource which should be managed<br class="">in the public
interest, the NETmundial Initiative will seek to
develop<br class="">enablers/solutions for distributed Internet governance, ensuring
the full<br class="">involvement of all stakeholders in their respective roles
and<br class="">responsibilities, so as to address current pressing challenges,
in<br class="">particular government actions and inactions, and private sector
actions,<br class="">that result in restrictions of freedom of speech and of personal
privacy; in<br class="">mass surveillance; in loss of control of personal
information; in<br class="">monetization of personal information; in lack of
cybersecurity; in<br class="">cybercrime; and in lack of universal, equal
opportunity, affordable and high<br class="">quality Internet access.<br class=""><br class="">The
NETmundial Initiative will also seek to develop enablers/solutions
for<br class="">distributed Internet governance that will favour the realization of
all<br class="">human rights, recognizing that human rights are indivisible and that
they<br class="">include democracy, economic and social justice, and the right
to<br class="">development; and that governments have primary, legal and
political<br class="">accountability for the protection of human rights.<br class=""><br class="">When
developing enablers/solutions, the NETmundial Initiative will
use<br class="">democratic, multistakeholder processes, ensuring the meaningful
and<br class="">accountable participation of all stakeholders, including governments,
the<br class="">private sector, civil society, the technical community, the
academic<br class="">community and users. The respective roles and
responsibilities of<br class="">stakeholders should be interpreted in a flexible
manner with reference to<br class="">the issue under
discussion.<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class="">Richard<br class=""><br class="">-----Original
Message-----<br class="">From: Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]On<br class="">Behalf
Of Bob Hinden<br class="">Sent: mercredi, 24. décembre 2014 17:35<br class="">To: ISOC Chapter
Delegates<br class="">Subject: [Chapter-delegates] A few updates on
NMI<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I received this yesterday from the NMI
organizers. They also announced the<br class="">membership of the
council. It can be found at:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> <a href="https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/netmundial-initiative-announces-formation-its-inaugural-coordination-council-and" target="_blank" class="">https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/netmundial-initiative-announce<br class="">s-formation-its-inaugural-coordination-council-and</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Bob<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Begin
forwarded message:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">From: NETmundial Initiative Secretariat <<a href="mailto:secretariat@netmundial.org" class="">secretariat@netmundial.org</a>><br class=""><br class="">Subject:
Changes resulting from your feedback<br class=""><br class="">Date: December 23, 2014 4:48:30
PM PST<br class=""><br class="">To: <a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" class="">steve@shinkuro.com</a>, <a href="mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com" class="">bob.hinden@gmail.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Cc: Fadi
Chehade <<a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org" class="">fadi.chehade@icann.org</a>>, SAMANS
Richard<br class=""><<a href="mailto:richard.samans@weforum.org" class="">richard.samans@weforum.org</a>>,
virgilio almeida<br class=""><<a href="mailto:virgilio.almeida@mct.gov.br" class="">virgilio.almeida@mct.gov.br</a>>,
Nora Abusitta <<a href="mailto:nora.abusitta@netmundial.org" class="">nora.abusitta@netmundial.org</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Dear
Steve and Bob,<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">We wanted to take this opportunity to thank you
for your feedback regarding<br class="">the NETmundial Initiative's activities and
organization, as outlined in the<br class="">recent joint statement issued by ISOC
and ICANN.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">In response to your feedback, the NETmundial
Initiative will implement the<br class="">following suggested changes:<br class="">Draft the
Initiative's Terms of Reference through a bottom-up
community<br class="">consultation process;<br class=""><br class="">The first meeting of the
Coordination Council will now be delayed for at<br class="">least three months to
allow for inclusive community input;<br class=""><br class="">This first Coordination Council
will be named ‘Inaugural’ with a limited<br class="">term in order to emphasize the
evolving nature of the structure and form of<br class="">the NETmundial
Initiative;<br class=""><br class="">Appoint Dr. Wolfgang Kleinwächter as Special Ambassador
to increase<br class="">cooperation and ensure open channels of dialogue between the
community and<br class="">the Inaugural Coordination Council.<br class=""><br class="">The NETmundial
Initiative remains committed to working collaboratively with<br class="">all
interested parties in helping inform and shape its way
forward.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Sincerely,<br class="">NETmundial Initiative Transitional
Committee Members:<br class="">Fadi Chehadé (ICANN)<br class="">Richard Samans
(WEF)<br class="">Virgílio Augusto Fernandes Almeida
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