<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you Richard,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">i was talking in terms of speedy solutions from the point of view of the final user, or even the non-user -beyond the digital divide-, and in no way I meant forcing any type of decision within the community.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br class="">Chair ISOC Costa Rica<br class=""><a href="http://www.isoc-cr.org" class="">http://www.isoc-cr.org</a><br class="">_____________________<br class=""><br class="">email: carlosraulg@gmail.com<br class="">Skype: carlos.raulg<br class="">+506 8335 2487 (cel)<br class=""><br class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">El 20/11/2014, a las 4:40, Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" class="">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span class="390293708-20112014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">Dear Carlos,</font></span></div><span class="390293708-20112014" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><br class=""><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">Whether or not to "increase speed" is a delicate matter when there is lack of unanimity. It is not necessarily a good idea to force decisions when there is no true consensus. I think that was the case at WCIT, but also at Netmudial, where, as you know, several civil society organizations expressed reservations about the outcome.</font></div><div class=""><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><span class="390293708-20112014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">On the other hand, I agree that sometimes decisions do need to be taken, even if there is not unanimity. But it is a delicate matter.</font></span></div><div class=""><span class="390293708-20112014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font></span> </div><div class=""><span class="390293708-20112014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">Best,</font></span></div><div class=""><span class="390293708-20112014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" class="">Richard</font></span></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div dir="ltr" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Carlos Raúl G. [<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" class="">mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org</a>]<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>jeudi, 20. novembre 2014 01:27<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard Hill<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Livingood, Jason; chapter-d >> Chapter Delegates<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative<br class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="">Dear Richard!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank for your good explanations. But if we don't need new groups or not, we agree that the present ones have to increase their speed exponentially and not wait just for the next meeting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The speed of he cross community working groups on the IANA transition or the speed of the Net Mundial declaration should be the new benchmarks for the local/regional issues as well, if we want continuous support from the bottom of the connectivity ladder.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards<br class=""><br class="">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<div class="">+506 8335 2487</div><div class="">Enviado desde mi iPhone</div></div><div class=""><br class="">El nov 19, 2014, a las 4:40 PM, Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" class="">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> escribió:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">Dear Carlos,</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">I agree that your 3 below is an issue. It it affects the cost of connectivity, in particular in developing countries. This issue has been under discussion in ITU for many years, see for example:</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> </font><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""><a href="http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/" class="">http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/</a></font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">So one might conclude that it is not sufficiently addressed by ITU. But the reason for the relatively slow progress of the discussions is that there were major disagreements regarding the causes, and thus regarding what measures to take to address the issue.</font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">Recently, there has been quite a bit of progress, because consensus has been reached that there are multiple causes, and all should be addressed, see:</font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2" class="">http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2</a> </font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">I doubt that some other forum could have progressed the discussions any faster, unless it was a forum that did not include the full spectrum of views (for example, if the forum included mostly developed country operators, you would reach conclusions quickly, but they would not be necessarily accepted by developing county operators).</font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">So, for the particular issue you raise, I don't see the need for any new groups.</font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">I do, however, see the need to improve existing groups, and this is, I think, consistent with the ISOC statement.</font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class=""></font></font> </div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">Best,</font></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><font size="2" class="">Richard</font></font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class="">----- Original Message -----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228);" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="crg@isoc-cr.org" href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" class="">Carlos Raúl G.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com" href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com" class="">Livingood, Jason</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" class="">chapter-d >> Chapter Delegates</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:59 PM</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1- YES</div><div class="">2- YES </div><div class="">3- regional traffic Infraestructure and local market conditions for access <br class=""><br class="">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><div class="">+506 8335 2487</div><div class="">Enviado desde mi iPhone</div></div><div class=""><br class="">El nov 19, 2014, a las 12:57 PM, Livingood, Jason <<a href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com" class="">Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com</a>> escribió:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">On 11/19/14, 9:58 AM, "Sivasubramanian M" <<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" class="">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="border-left-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-left-width: 5px; border-left-style: solid; padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: small;">@Raul It is not well understood that this is NOT our final position, and a bit of negative publicity has resulted and a few other actors have used this announcement to campaign against NETmundial.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is not about NETmundial, it is about the newly proposed NETmundial Initiative, something quite different. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I regret that you feel it put us in a negative position but we strongly disagreed with the entire top-down concept of oversight of the group. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Some questions I have:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1 – Do you agree that the IANA transition is a very important priority for us to continue to focus on?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2 – Are there major “Internet governance” issues that cannot be addressed by existing groups – OR are being insufficiently addressed by existing groups?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3 – If so, what are those issues?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks!</div><div class="">Jason</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr class=""><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br class="">to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br class="">Chapter Portal (AMS):<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://portal.isoc.org/" class="">https://portal.isoc.org</a></blockquote></div></blockquote></blockquote></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>