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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dear Alejandro,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I fully agree with what you say below. And I
would add that I* folks did contribute to the discussions in ITU, as did ISOC
itself (I don't remember whether ISOC participated in ITU-T Study Group 3, but I
do recall that ISOC participated in discussions in certain other ITU
groups).</FONT></DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV><BR>Best,</DIV>
<DIV>Richard</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=apisanty@gmail.com href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com">Alejandro
Pisanty</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rhill@hill-a.ch
href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">Richard Hill</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=crg@isoc-cr.org
href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">Carlos Raúl G.</A> ; <A
title=Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com
href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com">Livingood, Jason</A> ; <A
title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-d >> Chapter
Delegates</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet
Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Richard,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>we mostly agree. This is barely an Internet governance issue - at least
50/50 a teleoms issue, and it's not an orphan issue. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The stakehoders whom NMI might breing together are already meeting and
working together elsewhere.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Yes, it might be of interest if some telcos and governments meet in Davos
and agree to make progress in the existing fora. "Meeting in Davos and
agreeing for some other forum" is more Kaffeklatxch (gossip while drinking
coffee) than a new Internet governance mechanism.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>So, most likely, one "orphan issue" which turns out to have parents,
grandparents, uncles, siblings and a whole, huge family, not an orphan.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This of course does not mean that it doesn't need attantion nor tha ISOC
- and other I* organizations - can't contribute. But we do scratch it from the
"absolutely needs NMI" list.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Alejandro Pisany</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Richard Hill <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
target=_blank>rhill@hill-a.ch</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Carlos,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I agree that your 3 below is an issue. It it affects
the cost of connectivity, in particular in developing countries. This
issue has been under discussion in ITU for many years, see for
example:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> </FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0><A
href="http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/"
target=_blank>http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>So one might conclude that it is not
sufficiently addressed by ITU. But the reason for the relatively slow
progress of the discussions is that there were major disagreements regarding
the causes, and thus regarding what measures to take to address the
issue.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>Recently, there has been quite a bit of
progress, because consensus has been reached that there are multiple causes,
and all should be addressed, see:</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0> <A
href="http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2"
target=_blank>http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2</A> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>I doubt that some other forum could have
progressed the discussions any faster, unless it was a forum that did not
include the full spectrum of views (for example, if the forum included
mostly developed country operators, you would reach conclusions quickly, but
they would not be necessarily accepted by developing county
operators).</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>So, for the particular issue you raise,
I don't see the need for any new groups.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>I do, however, see the need to improve
existing groups, and this is, I think, consistent with the ISOC
statement.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>Best,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=+0>Richard</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=crg@isoc-cr.org href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target=_blank>Carlos
Raúl G. </A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com
href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com" target=_blank>Livingood,
Jason</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target=_blank>chapter-d
>> Chapter Delegates</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 19, 2014
5:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1- YES</DIV>
<DIV>2- YES </DIV>
<DIV>3- regional traffic Infraestructure and local market conditions for
access <BR><BR>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
<DIV>+506 8335 2487</DIV>
<DIV>Enviado desde mi iPhone</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>El nov 19, 2014, a las 12:57 PM, Livingood, Jason <<A
href="mailto:Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com"
target=_blank>Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com</A>>
escribió:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On 11/19/14, 9:58 AM, "Sivasubramanian M" <<A
href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com"
target=_blank>isolatedn@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</DIV></DIV><SPAN>
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class=gmail_default>@Raul It is not well understood that this is
NOT our final position, and a bit of negative publicity has resulted
and a few other actors have used this announcement to campaign against
NETmundial.</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN>
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<DIV>It is not about NETmundial, it is about the newly proposed
NETmundial Initiative, something quite different. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I regret that you feel it put us in a negative position but we
strongly disagreed with the entire top-down concept of oversight of the
group. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Some questions I have:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1 – Do you agree that the IANA transition is a very important
priority for us to continue to focus on?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>2 – Are there major “Internet governance” issues that cannot be
addressed by existing groups – OR are being insufficiently addressed by
existing groups?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>3 – If so, what are those issues?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>Jason</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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