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Optima;"><span style="font-family: Optima;">Am I alone in finding the
new ISOC "Connected discussion" is limiting use to broadcast
announcements? </span> I find them unsuited for discussions precisely
because the context and position of any message within a thread is lost.
<br><br>Top posting is fine for me provided it quotes sufficiently to
give context. It's the best way to provide a link or pointer or general
observation. Joly's top posts pointing to resources are well judged I
find. <br><br>But for more detailed point by point discussions I prefer
to go inline. Too many new email clients or "web" orientated comms tools
are preventing inline discussions and force top posting. Wrong headed
assumptions of device UI restraints is leading a number of IOS and
Android developers to loose utility of their apps for more informative
discussion purposes. <br> <br><br>Christian<br><br>Alejandro Pisanty
wrote:<blockquote
cite="mid:CAOxRbV9Zums9sevOz5HAROogzAgKvv7c_gcvreo870r6a78OpA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Alan,<div><br></div><div>just to chime in.
It's about two years now we have promises from ISOC staff that some of
this will be fixed. </div><div><br></div><div>And mind you, this is not
ISOC failing in Netiquette, it is ISOC failing in Internet standards
compliance (not Web standards - Internet standards.)</div><div><br></div><div>I
hope to see some progress soon.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW I'm
retaining your message for context. Otherwise I'd have to make a longer
explanation. I am not opposed to top-posting as long as one
occassionally does cut a long tail short.</div><div><br></div><div>Yours,</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro
Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div
class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Alan Levin <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alan@isoc.org.za"
target="_blank">alan@isoc.org.za</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 13 Nov 2014, at 7:13 PM, Joly MacFie <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I would think RFC1122 applies.<br>
<br>
Joly, I'm not sure what this is referring to. Not meaning to single you
out, I note that yours was a top post, we all do it. That would be
contrary to RFC 1855. I think 1122 refers to hosts although maybe you
are referring to the RFC process in general. I can understand that there
may be some elements of 1855 that have become outdated - although afaik
there is no update - and afaik that means the RFC should still apply
according the IETF/ISOC process.<br>
<br>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Gihan Dias <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gihan@uom.lk">gihan@uom.lk</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> On 2014/11/12 ප.ව. 10:35, Alan Levin wrote:<br>
>>> I've discussed this with key ISOC global people who have
decided that we don't need netiquette any longer. I am not in
agreement.<br>
>><br>
>> I agree with Alan.<br>
>> ISoc should be the model when it comes to netiquette.<br>
<br>
On 13 Nov 2014, at 4:21 PM, Randy Bush <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> i have grown used to people not understanding traditional net
etiquette.<br>
> i just figure that they're new here and calibrate accordingly.<br>
<br>
I agree with Randy that new people calibrate accordingly, it took me a
while to get it myself. Sorry if I did not explain my deflation. I would
be happy if this was the agreed way forward.<br>
<br>
This list (@<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank">elists.isoc.org</a>) is becoming a legacy list that ISOC
host, one where it is possible to apply RFC 1855. I am, thankful that
it is still supported although it appears that it may be phased out or
just 'die'.<br>
<br>
ISOC has invested in a new system "Connected Community" which disables
anyone from possibly adhering to basic netiquette. It's completely
blatant from the first line of every single message, the two major rules
are disregarded. The headers are terrible and the entire message
encourages abuse. To the dismay of but a few, the ISOC CEO has
inadvertently explained that ISOC have invested and are now rolling out
that platform. It's been used for the Chapters in parallel with this
list since June, now also added to the African Chapters. This may just
be my problem, I'm sorry but I find it counter productive to post by
email in that (Connected Community) system, it just feels like I'm
undermining the principles of ISOC.<br>
<br>
Sincerely<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
-- <br></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_signature">- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>Facultad
de Química UNAM<br></div></div></blockquote><br><div
class="moz-signature">-- <br>Christian de Larrinaga <br>
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