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12pt;font-family: Optima;"><span style="font-family: Optima;">Good
observation that deserves pinning down. Are we seeing yet another set of
newly interested parties </span>pitching in and which no doubt will
require the community to repeat much of the awareness building, debates
and work over last twenty years? <br><br>Or is the difference now that
these people consider themselves the power brokers of the status quo and
are impatient to fix things as they see it to expand that influence.
That is the driver is not for designing the future but for solutions now
and not to be too fussy about long term consequences if a few (from
their perspective ephemeral) things get squashed. <br><br>The current
round of trade treaties and legislative patches for pervasive
surveillance are not sensitive to the nuances. That is suggestive of how
agenda at this layer is pushed. <br><br><br><br>Christian<br>Alejandro
Pisanty wrote:<blockquote
cite="mid:CAOxRbV92i=PST6B7iZCVM8_=B2aw7LWqQYrh9c1hx8W9TvfetA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Dave,<div><br></div><div>our elders are wise
enough to both read the tea leaves and hear our voices. A good feature.</div><div><br></div><div>Your
missing "not" sprang out of the page, but good you clarify. </div><div><br></div><div>In
the big game we must also consider who is most irked by the WEF
presence (hint: it's not the masses) but still this interview makes it
appear like there is a vacuum to be filled - much of it close to ISOC's
capabilities and roles. This vacuum didn't exist quite this way until
the universe was expanded last year. </div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro
Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div
class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Dave Burstein <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Folks</div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A
respected and usually well-informed community elder wrote me offlist </div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">"<span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
interpret Fadi's comments as relatively consistent with what he is
saying within ICANN, and I do not believe that ICANN has significant
security ambitions that go beyond ensuring the security, stability and
resilience of the Internet's set of addressing identifiers -- which is
specified in our bylaws.<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div></span></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:arial"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial">
Which I hope is accurate and that Fadi is not looking to expand the
work of ICANN. I'll be glad to discover I made a mistake and overstated
the issue. i</span></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"><br></span></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:arial"> Many datapoints suggest to me otherwise,
particularly the top down approach he led in cooperation with WEF, the
Billionaire Boys club. It makes no sense to bring in to Governance more
megabillion dollar companies. Kathy Brown had strong words on the
top-down nature of WEF/ICANN a month ago which if anything were
understated. </span></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"><br></span></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:arial"> Tim Berners-Lee just warned </span><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.6000003814697px;line-height:15.189715385437px">“Suddenly
the power to abuse the open internet has become so tempting both for
government and big companies.”</span><span style="font-family:arial"> </span></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div
class="gmail_default"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/28/tim-berners-lee-internet-bill-of-rights-greater-privacy"
target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/28/tim-berners-lee-internet-bill-of-rights-greater-privacy</a><br></div><div
class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Also, of
course I meant "<span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px">I
hope Fadi is <u>not</u> even close to doing what his words suggest. "
Leaving out the "'not" was very careless.</span></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:arial"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial">Dave
</span></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"><br></span></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:arial"> </span></div><div dir="ltr">Editor, Fast Net
News, Net Policy News and DSL Prime<br>Author with Jennie Bourne DSL
(Wiley) and Web Video: Making It Great, Getting It Noticed (Peachpit)</div>
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