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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So do I <br>
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Have a nice day!<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
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Le 2014-08-30 01:44, Richard Hill a écrit :<br>
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<div>Dear Alejandro</div>
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<div>I fully agree with your comments below.</div>
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<div>Thanks and best</div>
<div>Richard</div>
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<div>From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> </apisanty@gmail.com></div>
<div>Date:29/08/2014 23:08 (GMT+01:00) </div>
<div>To: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> </rhill@hill-a.ch></div>
<div>Cc: Kathy Brown <brown@isoc.org>,ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org>
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<div>Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] On my way to IGF 2014... </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Richard,
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<div>there is unmistakable difference between Jeremy Malcolm's
expression of concern under the EFF letterhead and Kathy's
"food for thought" analysis and discussion starter for ISOC. </div>
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<div>ISOC's concern has to be whether a new room and a new table
are needed, not about seats at the table. And, if new
mechanisms are going to start functioning, how to articulate
them in such a way that central, overarching points of control
are not created, esp. with built-in power imbalances that are
hard to revert. </div>
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<div>We should also analyze whether the mobilization started at
the WEF is mostly a mobilization of the for-profit sector;
that would mean that organizations like the International
Chamber of Commerce (ICC) have been deemed insufficient to
represent this sector (for whatever reason.) </div>
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<div>Another important angle in the announcements made and
discussions held at the WEF is the possible protagonic role of
some countries. The educated observer would be watching their
behaviour going into the ITU Plenipotentiary before judging
the truth of their "multistakeholder" colors. </div>
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<div>In all of this, I think ISOC's concern has to be in
stewardship - not control - of the broadly decentralized,
rather spontaneous emergence of issue-based Internet
governance, vis-a-vis the creation of a structure that will be
happy to receive others in pre-affixed pigeonholes.</div>
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<div>Yours,</div>
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<div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM,
Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><span><font size="4">Dear Kathy,</font></span></div>
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<font size="4">Thank you very much for this. The
Electronic Freedom Foundation has also expressed
some reservations regarding the WEF activities, see:</font></div>
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</span><span><font size="4"> </font><font size="4"><a
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href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/internet-governance-and-netmundial-initiative-flawed-attempt-turning-words-action"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/internet-governance-and-netmundial-initiative-flawed-attempt-turning-words-action</a> </font></span></div>
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<div><span><font size="4">And I've heard similar things
privately.</font></span></div>
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<font size="4">Thanks again and best,</font></div>
</span><span><font size="4">Richard</font></span>
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<b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a
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href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Kathy Brown<br>
<b>Sent:</b> vendredi, 29. août 2014 20:01<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [Chapter-delegates] On my way to IGF
2014...<br>
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<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">To
my ISOC Colleagues,</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
am writing as I fly to Istanbul with much anticipation
for a week of important work. I understand that more
than 3000 people have registered for the IGF. This
past year, as a diverse Internet community, we have
given much thought and energy on how to best "govern"
ourselves. In Istanbul, we will have an opportunity,
with our colleagues from around the world, to, once
again, demonstrate the power of collective
collaboration and action. As we know, collaboration is
essential to ensure the future of the Internet. If
decisions related to the Internet and its future are
not in the hands of the many, they will only be in the
hands of the few. I will post some further thoughts
this weekend on IGF before the panels, workshops,
lunches and dinners begin.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
wanted, however, to take a few moments before we land
to report back on my observations of the WEF event
yesterday.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
applaud the leadership of the World Economic Forum for
highlighting and recognizing the enormity of the
effect of the Internet on the global economy and the
benefits and challenges inherent in its adoption in
much of the world. It is, of course, entirely
legitimate that it seeks to understand and participate
in the debate on internet governance. When given the
opportunity to comment during the morning session, I
urged that its thinking about governance include as
its central tenet the continuing investment,
innovation and access to the Internet to and for
everyone, particularly for those who do not yet have
access and for the "unborn innovator".</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">Many of us in and around
the Internet Society--on Staff, on the Board, in our
organizational members and Chapters, in the IETF and
the IAB have been deeply committed and involved in
working with our extended communities to address the
threats to the Internet as well as to develop,
manage and deploy the ever-evolving technology of
the Internet throughout the world. We revel in
inventing the future. Together, we have adopted a
bottom up culture and method of decision making
around numerous, local and global, technical, social
and legal issues that arise in the decentralized,
distributed ecosystem which is the Internet.</span></p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">We
were delighted with the cooperative spirit in Brazil
at Net Mundial as well as our collective ability to
reach rough consensus on the principles that should
govern our governing. Olaf Kolkman, ISOC's new CITO,
enthusiastically said, lets tack these principles on
the door and, for all who are ready to embrace them,
come on in.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">Many of us are busy
implementing features of the NetMundial roadmap.
ISOC has developed toolkits for spam and IXPs; our
regional offices hold INETs throughout the world to
demonstrate and teach technical skills; our
Leadership program creates and administers online
courses and sponsors leadership seminars,
ambassadorships and internships; we take active
leadership in policy development for governance
issues; and our staff has worked tirelessly to
introduce best practices workshops to the IGF, while
our Chapters have actively supported Regional and
National IGFs around the Globe. The Internet Society
is a party to the NTIA Transition Coordinating
Committee. Our representatives and Chapters are
intimately involved in the ICANN accountability
dialogue. We believe that we are well along the
Internet Governance journey.</span></p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">We
welcome any and all people and groups of good will to
work with us and the broader Internet Community in a
multi-stakeholder effort to deepen and broaden this
effort. We certainly invite WEF to get acquainted
with our collective work that is serious and ongoing.
I heard some intention to do that.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
was disturbed, however, as others have expressed, with
the opaque way the meeting came about; about what
seemed to be established agendas; talk of some new
single entity and top down models that purport to
represent organic community processes that could be
hobbled by definitions and artificial role
expectations.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
frankly do not know enough to know whether my concerns
are justified. I look forward to hearing more from
WEF, and perhaps, from the ICANN leadership, this
week, about the initiative. I hope, too, that the
folks at WEF who are coming to the IGF soak up the
energy, creativity, work and sweat of the community
that will gather this week. A constructive dialogue
and the collaborative spirit of NetMundial may just
cause us to join forces for the good of the Internet
and the good of the world.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">So, on to Istanbul. We have
work to do.</span><br>
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