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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">So do I <br>
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      Have a nice day!<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
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ISOC Quebec
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      Le 2014-08-30 01:44, Richard Hill a écrit :<br>
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      <div>Dear Alejandro</div>
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      <div>I fully agree with your comments below.</div>
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      <div>Thanks and best</div>
      <div>Richard</div>
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      <div>-------- Original message --------</div>
      <div>From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> </apisanty@gmail.com></div>
      <div>Date:29/08/2014 23:08 (GMT+01:00) </div>
      <div>To: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> </rhill@hill-a.ch></div>
      <div>Cc: Kathy Brown <brown@isoc.org>,ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org>
          </chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></brown@isoc.org></div>
      <div>Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] On my way to IGF 2014... </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Richard,
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        <div>there is unmistakable difference between Jeremy Malcolm's
          expression of concern under the EFF letterhead and Kathy's
          "food for thought" analysis and discussion starter for ISOC. </div>
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        <div>ISOC's concern has to be whether a new room and a new table
          are needed, not about seats at the table. And, if new
          mechanisms are going to start functioning, how to articulate
          them in such a way that central, overarching points of control
          are not created, esp. with built-in power imbalances that are
          hard to revert. </div>
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        <div>We should also analyze whether the mobilization started at
          the WEF is mostly a mobilization of the for-profit sector;
          that would mean that organizations like the International
          Chamber of Commerce (ICC) have been deemed insufficient to
          represent this sector (for whatever reason.) </div>
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        <div>Another important angle in the announcements made and
          discussions held at the WEF is the possible protagonic role of
          some countries. The educated observer would be watching their
          behaviour going into the ITU Plenipotentiary before judging
          the truth of their "multistakeholder" colors. </div>
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        <div>In all of this, I think ISOC's concern has to be in
          stewardship - not control - of the broadly decentralized,
          rather spontaneous emergence of issue-based Internet
          governance, vis-a-vis the creation of a structure that will be
          happy to receive others in pre-affixed pigeonholes.</div>
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        <div>Yours,</div>
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        <div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM,
          Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div><span><font size="4">Dear Kathy,</font></span></div>
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                  <font size="4">Thank you very much for this.  The
                    Electronic Freedom Foundation has also expressed
                    some reservations regarding the WEF activities, see:</font></div>
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              </span><span><font size="4">  </font><font size="4"><a
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href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/internet-governance-and-netmundial-initiative-flawed-attempt-turning-words-action"
                    target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/internet-governance-and-netmundial-initiative-flawed-attempt-turning-words-action</a> </font></span></div>
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            <div><span><font size="4">And I've heard similar things
                  privately.</font></span></div>
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                <font size="4">Thanks again and best,</font></div>
            </span><span><font size="4">Richard</font></span>
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              <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original
                  Message-----<br>
                  <b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
                    target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
                    Behalf Of </b>Kathy Brown<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> vendredi, 29. août 2014 20:01<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
                    target="_blank">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Chapter-delegates] On my way to IGF
                  2014...<br>
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                <p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">To
                  my ISOC Colleagues,</p>
                <p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
                  am writing as I fly to Istanbul with much anticipation
                  for a week of important work. I understand that more
                  than 3000 people have registered for the IGF. This
                  past year, as a diverse Internet community, we have
                  given much thought and energy on how to best "govern"
                  ourselves. In Istanbul, we will have an opportunity,
                  with our colleagues from around the world, to, once
                  again, demonstrate the power of collective
                  collaboration and action. As we know, collaboration is
                  essential to ensure the future of the Internet.  If
                  decisions related to the Internet and its future are
                  not in the hands of the many, they will only be in the
                  hands of the few.  I will post some further thoughts
                  this weekend on IGF before the panels, workshops,
                  lunches and dinners begin.</p>
                <p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
                  wanted, however, to take a few moments before we land
                  to report back on my observations of the WEF event
                  yesterday.</p>
                <p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
                  applaud the leadership of the World Economic Forum for
                  highlighting and recognizing the enormity of the
                  effect of the Internet on the global economy and the
                  benefits and challenges inherent in its adoption in
                  much of the world. It is, of course, entirely
                  legitimate that it seeks to understand and participate
                  in the debate on internet governance. When given the
                  opportunity to comment during the morning session, I
                  urged that its thinking about governance include as
                  its central tenet the continuing investment,
                  innovation and access to the Internet to and for
                  everyone, particularly for those who do not yet have
                  access and for the "unborn innovator".</p>
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span
                    style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">Many of us in and around
                    the Internet Society--on Staff, on the Board, in our
                    organizational members and Chapters, in the IETF and
                    the IAB have been deeply committed and involved in
                    working with our extended communities to address the
                    threats to the Internet as well as to develop,
                    manage and deploy the ever-evolving technology of
                    the Internet throughout the world. We revel in
                    inventing the future. Together, we have adopted a
                    bottom up culture and method of decision making
                    around numerous, local and global, technical, social
                    and legal issues that arise in the decentralized,
                    distributed ecosystem which is the Internet.</span></p>
                <p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">We
                  were delighted with the cooperative spirit in Brazil
                  at Net Mundial as well as our collective ability to
                  reach rough consensus on the principles that should
                  govern our governing. Olaf Kolkman, ISOC's new CITO,
                  enthusiastically said, lets tack these principles on
                  the door and, for all who are ready to embrace them,
                  come on in.</p>
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                    style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">Many of us are busy
                    implementing features of the NetMundial roadmap.
                    ISOC has developed toolkits for spam and IXPs; our
                    regional offices hold INETs throughout the world to
                    demonstrate and teach technical skills; our
                    Leadership program creates and administers online
                    courses and sponsors leadership seminars,
                    ambassadorships and internships; we take active
                    leadership in policy development for governance
                    issues; and our staff has worked tirelessly to
                    introduce best practices workshops to the IGF, while
                    our Chapters have actively supported Regional and
                    National IGFs around the Globe. The Internet Society
                    is a party to the NTIA Transition Coordinating
                    Committee. Our representatives and Chapters are
                    intimately involved in the ICANN accountability
                    dialogue. We believe that we are well along the
                    Internet Governance journey.</span></p>
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">We
                  welcome any and all people and groups of good will to
                  work with us and the broader Internet Community in a
                  multi-stakeholder effort to deepen and broaden this
                  effort.  We certainly invite WEF to get acquainted
                  with our collective work that is serious and ongoing.
                  I heard some intention to do that.</p>
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                  was disturbed, however, as others have expressed, with
                  the opaque way the meeting came about; about what
                  seemed to be established agendas; talk of some new
                  single entity and top down models that purport to
                  represent organic community processes that could be
                  hobbled by definitions and artificial role
                  expectations.</p>
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1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I
                  frankly do not know enough to know whether my concerns
                  are justified. I look forward to hearing more from
                  WEF, and perhaps, from the ICANN leadership, this
                  week, about the initiative. I hope, too, that the
                  folks at WEF who are coming to the IGF soak up the
                  energy, creativity, work and sweat of the community
                  that will gather this week. A constructive dialogue
                  and the collaborative spirit of NetMundial may just
                  cause us to join forces for the good of the Internet
                  and the good of the world.</p>
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                    style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">So, on to Istanbul. We have
                    work to do.</span><br>
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        Facultad de Química UNAM<br>
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        ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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