<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Dear Alejandro</div><div><br></div><div>I fully agree with your comments below.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and best</div><div>Richard</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from Samsung Mobile</div></div><br><br><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> </div><div>Date:29/08/2014 23:08 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> </div><div>Cc: Kathy Brown <brown@isoc.org>,ISOC Chapter Delegates <Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] On my way to IGF 2014... </div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Richard,<div><br></div><div>there is unmistakable difference between Jeremy Malcolm's expression of concern under the EFF letterhead and Kathy's "food for thought" analysis and discussion starter for ISOC. </div>
<div><br></div><div>ISOC's concern has to be whether a new room and a new table are needed, not about seats at the table. And, if new mechanisms are going to start functioning, how to articulate them in such a way that central, overarching points of control are not created, esp. with built-in power imbalances that are hard to revert. </div>
<div><br></div><div>We should also analyze whether the mobilization started at the WEF is mostly a mobilization of the for-profit sector; that would mean that organizations like the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) have been deemed insufficient to represent this sector (for whatever reason.) </div>
<div><br></div><div>Another important angle in the announcements made and discussions held at the WEF is the possible protagonic role of some countries. The educated observer would be watching their behaviour going into the ITU Plenipotentiary before judging the truth of their "multistakeholder" colors. </div>
<div><br></div><div>In all of this, I think ISOC's concern has to be in stewardship - not control - of the broadly decentralized, rather spontaneous emergence of issue-based Internet governance, vis-a-vis the creation of a structure that will be happy to receive others in pre-affixed pigeonholes.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yours,</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div><span><font size="4">Dear
Kathy,</font></span></div><span>
<div><br><font size="4">Thank you very much for this. The Electronic Freedom
Foundation has also expressed some reservations regarding the WEF activities,
see:</font></div>
<div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div></div></span><span><font size="4"> </font><font size="4"><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/internet-governance-and-netmundial-initiative-flawed-attempt-turning-words-action" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/internet-governance-and-netmundial-initiative-flawed-attempt-turning-words-action</a> </font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="4"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font size="4">And I've heard similar things
privately.</font></span></div><span>
<div><br><font size="4">Thanks again and best,</font></div>
<div></div></span><span><font size="4">Richard</font></span>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates
[mailto:<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy
Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> vendredi, 29. août 2014 20:01<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Chapter-delegates] On my
way to IGF 2014...<br><br></font></div>
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<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">To my ISOC Colleagues,</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I am writing as I fly to Istanbul with much anticipation for a week
of important work. I understand that more than 3000 people have registered for
the IGF. This past year, as a diverse Internet community, we have given much
thought and energy on how to best "govern" ourselves. In Istanbul, we will
have an opportunity, with our colleagues from around the world, to, once
again, demonstrate the power of collective collaboration and action. As we
know, collaboration is essential to ensure the future of the
Internet. If decisions related to the Internet and its future are
not in the hands of the many, they will only be in the hands of the
few. I will post some further thoughts this weekend on IGF before
the panels, workshops, lunches and dinners begin.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I wanted, however, to take a few moments before we land to report
back on my observations of the WEF event yesterday.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I applaud the leadership of the World Economic Forum for highlighting
and recognizing the enormity of the effect of the Internet on the global
economy and the benefits and challenges inherent in its adoption in much of
the world. It is, of course, entirely legitimate that it seeks to understand
and participate in the debate on internet governance. When given the
opportunity to comment during the morning session, I urged that its thinking
about governance include as its central tenet the continuing investment,
innovation and access to the Internet to and for everyone, particularly for
those who do not yet have access and for the "unborn innovator".</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">Many of us in and around the Internet
Society--on Staff, on the Board, in our organizational members and Chapters,
in the IETF and the IAB have been deeply committed and involved in working
with our extended communities to address the threats to the Internet as well
as to develop, manage and deploy the ever-evolving technology of the Internet
throughout the world. We revel in inventing the future. Together, we have
adopted a bottom up culture and method of decision making around numerous,
local and global, technical, social and legal issues that arise in the
decentralized, distributed ecosystem which is the Internet.</span></p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">We were delighted with the cooperative spirit in Brazil at Net
Mundial as well as our collective ability to reach rough consensus on the
principles that should govern our governing. Olaf Kolkman, ISOC's new CITO,
enthusiastically said, lets tack these principles on the door and, for all who
are ready to embrace them, come on in.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">Many of us are busy implementing
features of the NetMundial roadmap. ISOC has developed toolkits for spam and
IXPs; our regional offices hold INETs throughout the world to demonstrate and
teach technical skills; our Leadership program creates and administers online
courses and sponsors leadership seminars, ambassadorships and internships; we
take active leadership in policy development for governance issues; and our
staff has worked tirelessly to introduce best practices workshops to the IGF,
while our Chapters have actively supported Regional and National IGFs around
the Globe. The Internet Society is a party to the NTIA Transition Coordinating
Committee. Our representatives and Chapters are intimately involved in the
ICANN accountability dialogue. We believe that we are well along the Internet
Governance journey.</span></p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">We welcome any and all people and groups of good will to work with us
and the broader Internet Community in a multi-stakeholder effort to deepen and
broaden this effort. We certainly invite WEF to get acquainted with
our collective work that is serious and ongoing. I heard some intention to do
that.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I was disturbed, however, as others have expressed, with the opaque
way the meeting came about; about what seemed to be established agendas; talk
of some new single entity and top down models that purport to represent
organic community processes that could be hobbled by definitions and
artificial role expectations.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">I frankly do not know enough to know whether my concerns are
justified. I look forward to hearing more from WEF, and perhaps, from the
ICANN leadership, this week, about the initiative. I hope, too, that the folks
at WEF who are coming to the IGF soak up the energy, creativity, work and
sweat of the community that will gather this week. A constructive dialogue and
the collaborative spirit of NetMundial may just cause us to join forces for
the good of the Internet and the good of the world.</p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22">So, on to Istanbul. We have work to
do.</span><br></p>
<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:15px;MARGIN:0px 0px 1em;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;FONT-FAMILY:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;PADDING-TOP:0px">Kathy</p></div></blockquote>
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