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Your arguments against disclosure would have been perfectly appropriate to the motion I brought. I made a point of phrasing it as "requests disclosure," not requires it, which would allow anyone with a major privacy concern to deny the rquest. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> This could, and should, have been resolved by a brief discussion, and a quick vote, which probably in this group would have gone against the motion. <i>But refusing to even discuss it, enforced by shutting down the microphone, was totally inappropriate.</i></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> I have a strong opinion on disclosure because I know how often financial ties affect choices here. That includes within the Internet Society, where hope of funding from a particular company was the reason for a choice. The details were given me in a private discussion and I honor that. I hope the individual involved will disclose them. <br>
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<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> You're right to ask about my own disclosure, which I have made often in my publications and web site. I earn my living from advertising in my publications, speaking and managing technical events, leading technical webinars and providing outreach support to a technical non-profit (Marconi Society) and work like writing white papers for technical companies. None of that work involved policy. One of my clients, ASSIA, has recently introduced a consumer product Cloudcheck, which speeds up net access. They believe that allowing carriers to block products like theirs would harm their business. To that end, their board member, Reed Hundt, has spoken about how important it is to keep things open. (Including a Bloomberg interview.) I'm not involved in that, although my consulting on marketing communications has a (very modest) overlap.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> I have no income whatsoever from policy advocacy and at minimum would disclose it if I did. I have turned down offers from, among others, AT&T, because I believe they were trying to buy my opinion. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> "Multi-stakeholder" is hollow if we don't live up to it.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dave</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:17 AM, JOHN MORE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dave</div><div><br></div><div>As Paul Brigner said the IGF USA 2014 is not essentially a DC Chapter event. The Chapter is coordinating the administration. There are only a few of us working on the event. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I agree about the outsized influence of money in US politics. But I would have thought as a supporter of privacy you would not call for financial disclosure from non-politicians. It is an invasion of privacy. Further we ask for disclosure from politicians because their decisions can affect our lives. It might be a great thing if IGF USA was able to make decisions and implement them. It cannot. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I have no financial interests here. I don't work for anyone with respect to any aspect if the Internet. What is your financial interest?</div><div><br></div><div>I agree that the Internet should. Be managed for all and the US is myopic about the rest of the world. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br>John More</div><div>DC Chapter<br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:29 PM, Dave Burstein <<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Next week's US-IGF, essentially an ISOC event, is a great opportunity to address the power of money in policy. </div>
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<br></div>I'm introducing<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>a<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>simple motion<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">
</div>at tomorrow morning's open steering committee meeting:<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">for that event. (Email me for callin if you like.)</div> <br><br><b>1- All speakers be requested to provide information on recent financial ties or funding requests that might pose a conflict. In general, we hope everyone chooses to disclose payments from companies and their associations that have important policy goals</b><br>
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</div></i><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div> I carefully am not accusing anyone of corruption; in fact many of those lobbying have high personal ethics. Rather, I believe the DC policy debate suffers from "publication bias," with corporations and those who agree with them and.or take money from them able to dominate the debate.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">
</div> I phrased this carefully as a “request,” not a requirement, to make it easy to support. What should be disclosed was left to the speakers’ discretion.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.800000190734863px">
<br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div> Nearly every major medical journal requires authors to disclose ties, usually in a note to the article. The medical people have developed massive evidence that “publication bias” affects science as well. In policy, those with the time and money to attend events often predominate. In some recent D.C. events, I’ve noticed over 80% of those involved are current or former lobbyists and their friends in the government.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> Disclosure is the right thing to do, even if we don’t win this battle.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div>ISOC c<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">hoosing </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">
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d</div>ifference<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">. Washington D.C. is rife with "astroturf" lobbyists and many others taking corporate money. That's spreading worldwide. </div>
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ISOC CEO Kathy Brown & NA leader Paul Brigner both post their emails <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/staff-and-advisors" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/staff-and-advisors</a> , They understand these issues in depth. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> Do reach out to them; the easiest and most profitable path in D.C. is to "go along to get along" but that's not the best way to deliver the Internet for everybody. Too many of those offering money in D.C. have a strong interest in raising the price of Internet access. High speed in the U.S. typically costs 30-60% more than our peers in Europe because broadband competition fell to two players, DSL & cable.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><i>I'm also introducing another motion</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<br></div><b>2- We urge all speakers to concentrate on improving governance in the U.S. rather than Americans preaching to others what to do. </b><br><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
I'm on the U.S. State Department ITAC. Far too much of what I hear in D.C. is "White Man's Burden" thinking, ignoring the great strides being made around the world. China has twice as many broadband subs as the U.S. By around 2017, both Africa and India will have more Internet users than the U.S.; continued domination by U.S. companies and governments will be unsustainable.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> Americans should first put out own house in order. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
Dave Burstein</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Editor, Fast Net News, Net Policy News and A Wireless Cloud<br>
Author with Jennie Bourne DSL (Wiley, 2002) and Web Video: Making It Great, Getting It Noticed (Peachpit, 2008)</div>
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