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    <tt>And what would you propose to do with the second ´N´that appears
      in the ICANN name ? <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/4/14, 11:21 AM, Richard Hill
      wrote:<br>
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      <div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
            size="2" face="Arial">Dear Vint,</font></span></div>
      <div><span class="734591814-04072014"></span> </div>
      <div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
            size="2" face="Arial">I agree that it might not be feasible
            to organize a global election of the ICANN Board ty the
            citizens of the world, or by the users of the Internet.</font></span></div>
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      <div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
            size="2" face="Arial">That's why I suggest instead that the
            ICANN Board be elected by registrants (holders) of domain
            names.  That is quite feasible using existing technologies
            and databases. I realize that some registrants use anonimity
            services, but it would be up to them to declare themselves
            as registrants if they wish to participate in the election,
            if not they would simply be absentees.</font></span></div>
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          <font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
        <div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
              size="2" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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              size="2" face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br>
              <b>From:</b> Vint Cerf [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vint@google.com">mailto:vint@google.com</a>]<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> vendredi, 4. juillet 2014 13:12<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">rhill@hill-a.ch</a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Evan Leibovitch; Chapter Delegates<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society
              Appointments to theNTIA/IANA Stewardship Transition
              Coordination Group<br>
              <br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Richard,
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            <div>the idea that there should be a global election for
              board members of ICANN by citizens of the world and users
              of the Internet was then and I think still is unworkable.
              Qualifying the electorate and running a verifiable
              election (ie, free of fraud) via the Internet is still out
              of the question. In places like Estonia where strong
              authentication is available it appears possible to achieve
              such an objective but this isn't feasible today on a
              global scale. I think the At-Large mechanism is about the
              best one can do along these lines for now.</div>
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            <div>vint</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:46 AM,
              Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
                  target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Dear
                        Evan,</font></span></div>
                  <div><span></span> </div>
                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">I fully
                        agree with you that it would be better if ICANN
                        were ultimately accountable to all the world's
                        Internet users (or maybe even to all the world's
                        people, since I believe we all want all people
                        to use the Internet).</font></span></div>
                  <div><span></span> </div>
                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">As you
                        say below, the initial structure of ICANN did
                        allow for significant influence by users, but
                        this was later modified to reduce that
                        influence.<br>
                      </font></span></div>
                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">If we
                        can come up with a practical scheme allowing all
                        users to excercise control over ICANN's
                        accountability, I would be all for it.</font></span></div>
                  <div><span></span> </div>
                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">If not,
                        then at least let's implement accountability by
                        registrants, which is not perfect (for the
                        reasons you say) but surely better than the
                        current setup which has the drawbacks that you
                        outline below.</font></span></div>
                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><br>
                        Best,</font></span></div>
                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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                          <b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:evanleibovitch@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">evanleibovitch@gmail.com</a>
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:evanleibovitch@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">evanleibovitch@gmail.com</a>]<b>On
                            Behalf Of </b>Evan Leibovitch<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> jeudi, 3. juillet 2014 22:39<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Richard Hill<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Eric Burger; Chapter Delegates<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
                          Internet Society Appointments to theNTIA/IANA
                          Stewardship Transition Coordination Group<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 3 July 2014
                              12:09, Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
                                  target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff"
                                        face="Arial">In democracies, the
                                        ultimate authority (parliament)
                                        is elected by all those
                                        affected, it is not chosen by a
                                        NomCom.</font></span></div>
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                              <div>That's because the ICANN "Nominating
                                Committee" is misnamed.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>What ICANN has is a selection
                                committee. A true *NOMINATING* Committee
                                would create a ballot of eligible
                                candidates from which an electorate
                                would choose representatives. It's that
                                last little step -- having an electorate
                                -- that ICANN has consciously dispensed
                                with. It's why ICANN has worked so hard
                                to evade the traditional structure of
                                nonprofits (such as our Chapter's) whose
                                Boards are accountable to a membership.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Once upon a time there were direct
                                elections to ICANN, which were gamed.
                                The response to gaming was to eliminate
                                elections, rather than address the
                                gaming issue. Perhaps that over-reaction
                                needs to be revisited, especially now
                                that e-voting tech has advanced so much
                                lately.</div>
                              <div><br>
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                                class="gmail_quote">My suggestion is
                                that the ultimate oversigh for ICANN's
                                economic regulatory function should be
                                the end-users, that is the registrants
                                of domain names (people/organizations
                                that hold domain name registrations).</blockquote>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div> </div>
                              <div>End users != registrants.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>This error occurs frequently within
                                ICANN, and is a constant source of
                                required vigilance.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>End users are the people sitting at
                                screens or on their mobiles, who access
                                the Internet without any need for a
                                domain name or intention to possess one.
                                I reject the assertion by many in the
                                domain industry that everyone needs to
                                own a domain, that each person on earth
                                is just a potential registrant who
                                hasn't yet been adequately marketed to.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Among the current family of
                                registrants -- owning a substantial
                                chunk of the total domain name pool --
                                are name speculators and squatters.
                                ICANN's tolerance of their presence
                                creates artificial scarcity, raises the
                                cost of Internet entry to startup
                                businesses, and causes legitimate site
                                and brand owners to needlessly register
                                defensive names. (They also dramatically
                                inflate the total number of extant
                                domains, which is now arguably a source
                                of ICANN's own financial dependence. But
                                that's a different thread.)</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>In this family are also those who
                                create domain names with intent to
                                defraud. This is why the Red Cross
                                request for domain name protection came
                                in for special attention at the ICANN
                                Board recently (supported by the GAC and
                                ALAC), why the lack of enforced WHOIS
                                accuracy has become a source of
                                controversy, and why the ALAC continues
                                to challenge the utility of gTLD "Public
                                Interest Committments" over the protests
                                of the domain industry.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>So, Richard, I must take issue with
                                your definition. While the interests of
                                registrants often have much in common
                                with those of end users, they are most
                                certainly not 100% in sync and
                                occasionally in direct opposition.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Registrants have their own
                                constituencies within the
                                "Non-Contracted House" half of ICANN's
                                GNSO, from which they protect their
                                interests. That's not At-Large, which,
                                like ISOC, exists to assert the
                                perspective of end-users -- the billions
                                outside ICANN's direct revenue stream
                                who are nonetheless impacted by its
                                actions.</div>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>- Evan</div>
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