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<tt>And what would you propose to do with the second ´N´that appears
in the ICANN name ? <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/4/14, 11:21 AM, Richard Hill
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<div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
size="2" face="Arial">Dear Vint,</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
size="2" face="Arial">I agree that it might not be feasible
to organize a global election of the ICANN Board ty the
citizens of the world, or by the users of the Internet.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
size="2" face="Arial">That's why I suggest instead that the
ICANN Board be elected by registrants (holders) of domain
names. That is quite feasible using existing technologies
and databases. I realize that some registrants use anonimity
services, but it would be up to them to declare themselves
as registrants if they wish to participate in the election,
if not they would simply be absentees.</font></span></div>
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<font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
<div><span class="734591814-04072014"><font color="#0000ff"
size="2" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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<b>From:</b> Vint Cerf [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vint@google.com">mailto:vint@google.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> vendredi, 4. juillet 2014 13:12<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">rhill@hill-a.ch</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Evan Leibovitch; Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society
Appointments to theNTIA/IANA Stewardship Transition
Coordination Group<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Richard,
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<div>the idea that there should be a global election for
board members of ICANN by citizens of the world and users
of the Internet was then and I think still is unworkable.
Qualifying the electorate and running a verifiable
election (ie, free of fraud) via the Internet is still out
of the question. In places like Estonia where strong
authentication is available it appears possible to achieve
such an objective but this isn't feasible today on a
global scale. I think the At-Large mechanism is about the
best one can do along these lines for now.</div>
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<div>vint</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:46 AM,
Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Dear
Evan,</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">I fully
agree with you that it would be better if ICANN
were ultimately accountable to all the world's
Internet users (or maybe even to all the world's
people, since I believe we all want all people
to use the Internet).</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">As you
say below, the initial structure of ICANN did
allow for significant influence by users, but
this was later modified to reduce that
influence.<br>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">If we
can come up with a practical scheme allowing all
users to excercise control over ICANN's
accountability, I would be all for it.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">If not,
then at least let's implement accountability by
registrants, which is not perfect (for the
reasons you say) but surely better than the
current setup which has the drawbacks that you
outline below.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><br>
Best,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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<b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:evanleibovitch@gmail.com"
target="_blank">evanleibovitch@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:evanleibovitch@gmail.com"
target="_blank">evanleibovitch@gmail.com</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Evan Leibovitch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> jeudi, 3. juillet 2014 22:39<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Hill<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Burger; Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
Internet Society Appointments to theNTIA/IANA
Stewardship Transition Coordination Group<br>
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12:09, Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial">In democracies, the
ultimate authority (parliament)
is elected by all those
affected, it is not chosen by a
NomCom.</font></span></div>
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<div>That's because the ICANN "Nominating
Committee" is misnamed.</div>
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<div>What ICANN has is a selection
committee. A true *NOMINATING* Committee
would create a ballot of eligible
candidates from which an electorate
would choose representatives. It's that
last little step -- having an electorate
-- that ICANN has consciously dispensed
with. It's why ICANN has worked so hard
to evade the traditional structure of
nonprofits (such as our Chapter's) whose
Boards are accountable to a membership.</div>
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<div>Once upon a time there were direct
elections to ICANN, which were gamed.
The response to gaming was to eliminate
elections, rather than address the
gaming issue. Perhaps that over-reaction
needs to be revisited, especially now
that e-voting tech has advanced so much
lately.</div>
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class="gmail_quote">My suggestion is
that the ultimate oversigh for ICANN's
economic regulatory function should be
the end-users, that is the registrants
of domain names (people/organizations
that hold domain name registrations).</blockquote>
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<div>End users != registrants.</div>
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<div>This error occurs frequently within
ICANN, and is a constant source of
required vigilance.</div>
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<div>End users are the people sitting at
screens or on their mobiles, who access
the Internet without any need for a
domain name or intention to possess one.
I reject the assertion by many in the
domain industry that everyone needs to
own a domain, that each person on earth
is just a potential registrant who
hasn't yet been adequately marketed to.</div>
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<div>Among the current family of
registrants -- owning a substantial
chunk of the total domain name pool --
are name speculators and squatters.
ICANN's tolerance of their presence
creates artificial scarcity, raises the
cost of Internet entry to startup
businesses, and causes legitimate site
and brand owners to needlessly register
defensive names. (They also dramatically
inflate the total number of extant
domains, which is now arguably a source
of ICANN's own financial dependence. But
that's a different thread.)</div>
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<div>In this family are also those who
create domain names with intent to
defraud. This is why the Red Cross
request for domain name protection came
in for special attention at the ICANN
Board recently (supported by the GAC and
ALAC), why the lack of enforced WHOIS
accuracy has become a source of
controversy, and why the ALAC continues
to challenge the utility of gTLD "Public
Interest Committments" over the protests
of the domain industry.</div>
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<div>So, Richard, I must take issue with
your definition. While the interests of
registrants often have much in common
with those of end users, they are most
certainly not 100% in sync and
occasionally in direct opposition.</div>
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<div>Registrants have their own
constituencies within the
"Non-Contracted House" half of ICANN's
GNSO, from which they protect their
interests. That's not At-Large, which,
like ISOC, exists to assert the
perspective of end-users -- the billions
outside ICANN's direct revenue stream
who are nonetheless impacted by its
actions.</div>
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<div>- Evan</div>
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