<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Actually, I believe you are not correct in your assertion in most Western democracies. Most Western democracies have parties that select candidates that stand for election. For example, in Switzerland, different parties propose candidates for office. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe the Swiss People’s Party conducts a nationwide election looking for candidates.<div><br><div><div>On Jul 3, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div><span class="515480816-03072014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">In
democracies, the ultimate authority (parliament) is elected by all those
affected, it is not chosen by a NomCom.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="515480816-03072014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Best,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates
[<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric
Burger<br><b>Sent:</b> jeudi, 3. juillet 2014 18:07<br><b>To:</b> Chapter
Delegates<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society
Appointments to theNTIA/IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination
Group<br><br></font></div>One can take this argument ab absurdum. Are
outside board members not independent because they get compensation? Are
independent auditors not really independent because the corporation pays the
auditor’s bills? Is a random lottery of individuals from around the world not
really independent because their businesses rely on a domain name?
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<div>I am not necessarily defending a self-selecting board. However, I am
wondering if this is not a case of “Democracy is the worst form of government,
except for the alternatives”?</div>
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<div>On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Miller, Stephen H (Basrah) <<a href="mailto:MillerSH@state.gov">MillerSH@state.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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A little-discussed fact is that ICANN essentially selects its own Board (and
so its own oversight) through NomCom and related procedures. A general
principle of effective oversight, or auditing, or corporate
governance—whatever kind of oversight—is structural independence from the
entity being overseen. In the case of IANA, whatever the
political or optical issues with NTIA, that separation was clear.
Going into uncharted waters with this process, it may be natural for ICANN
to want to direct it and subsume it into its own organization and
structure. But well-defined outside oversight is probably the best and
most efficient guarantor of accountability. I think Evan has put his
finger on the biggest danger in this process, imho.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chapter-delegates [<a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Evan
Leibovitch<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 03, 2014 6:47
PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alejandro
Pisanty<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chapter
Delegates; Demi Getschko<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet
Society Appointments to the NTIA/IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination
Group<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On
3 July 2014 05:46, Alejandro Pisanty <<a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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is the only member of the Coordination Group that is not simultaneously a
directly interested party, a "client" of IANA or a structural participant
in ICANN.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW,
I would also generally add to that set of characteristics, the people
currently being considered to fill the spots on the CG by ICANN At-Large.
While coming from a "structural participant in ICANN", the At-Large
delegates are also non-conflicted, and seek to protect the interests of
those who are neither sellers nor buyers of domains. (Indeed, such
perspective of At-Large is mandated in the ICANN bylaws.) It is no
coincidence that so many ISOC chapters are also At-Large
Structures.<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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ALAC and ISOC delegates have highly common interest at the CG, and the
potential to be an effective coalition. No doubt there will be other,
self-interested coalitions with which they will need to
contend.<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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have already been hearing from some corners of ICANN a sentiment that
oversight of IANA should "naturally" fall to those with whom ICANN has
contractual relations. If carried through to its logical conclusion this
perspective would, in effect, put the regulated in change of the regulator;
it needs to be resisted.<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Indeed,
a trusted insider has suggested to me that the reference by some within
ICANN to the current situation as "IANA transition" (as opposed to the more
accurate "IANA stewardship transition") is deliberate, and an attempt to
shift (or at least blur) the focus.<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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will indeed be an interesting environment.<o:p></o:p></div></div>
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