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    Richard,<br>
    This sounds strange. <br>
    The information will still be there. If someone wants to access it,
    they will be able to. If it was true towards certain date, but is
    not true any longer, then this should be somehow mentioned.<br>
    Let's get out of the digital world for a moment, and go back to
    paper. If a newspaper publishes an article, which is wrong or
    misleading, it publishes a correction (at some point). There's no
    way to remove the old article, or to take away the correction, in
    which the original date and artile, and errors are mentioned. And if
    someone remembers that there was such a publication, he or she could
    serve as a "search engine". What will you tell the person in charge
    at the paper articles, "Don't tell anyone there is such an article"?
    Or "Tell them there is such an article, and correction after that".
    <br>
    <br>
    v.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/19/14 09:19, Richard Hill wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:GLEAIDJPBJDOLEICCGMNGEOHCGAA.rhill@hill-a.ch"
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      <div><span class="171571613-19052014"><font color="#0000ff"
            face="Arial" size="2">As I understand it, the ruling
            establishes a principle that will apply to all search
            engines.</font></span></div>
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      <div><span class="171571613-19052014"><font color="#0000ff"
            face="Arial" size="2">The information in question was
            correct at the time it was published (an updaid debt) but
            was no longer correct, because the debt had been paid.  The
            Spanish court ruled that there was no cause to order the
            removal of the original information, because it was correct
            at the date of publication.  The ECJ ruled that it was
            legitimate for the user to request that the link to that
            old, and no loger relevant, information be removed when
            people searched Google using his name as the search
            criterion.</font></span></div>
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        <div><br>
          <font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Best,</font></div>
        <div><span class="171571613-19052014"><font color="#0000ff"
              face="Arial" size="2">Richard</font></span></div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><font
              face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
              <b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
                Behalf Of </b>John More<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai 2014 15:15<br>
              <b>To:</b> Markovski Veni<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Delegates Chapter; Pablo García Mexía; Privacy
              list; Elist publicpolicy; European Chapters<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
              [European-chapters] ECJ: Internet searchengine's data
              processing responsibilities<br>
              <br>
            </font></div>
          Veni
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To be clear — I support removal of links to all sorts of
            defamatory, sexually harassing, etc. Information, but that
            is not this case. This allows anyone who does not like a
            true information to have links removed, even though the
            source is not one that has to be removed.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>And, as you say, Google may be the target, but what about
            all the other search engines, including smaller dedicated
            ones.  Better to regulate the misuse of information, such as
            by employers or health insurance companies.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>John More</div>
          <div><br>
            <div>
              <div>On May 19, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Veni Markovski <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>>
                wrote:</div>
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                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">John, <br>
                  I understand the case against Google, but what about
                  the other search engines? And what about the fact that
                  the information will still exist somewhere, regardless
                  of whether Google will "forget it" or not?<br>
                  <br>
                  v.<br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/19/14 08:49, John
                    More wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote
                    cite="mid:BD4325B5-47C9-40DA-B3B6-53C7305A1F75@mac.com"
                    type="cite">As a lawyer who generally dislikes
                    litigation, I concur fully with Vint’s statement.
                     The ECJ’s decision is poorly conceived and drafted
                    and can only result in expensive litigation
                    burdening the providers of  search services (and
                    therefore the public). 
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>John</div>
                    <div><br>
                      <div>
                        <div>On May 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Vint Cerf <<a
                            href="mailto:vint@google.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">vint@google.com</a>>
                          wrote:</div>
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                          <div dir="ltr">richard,
                            <div>litigation is EXPENSIVE. Google is
                              being forced to make a judgment based not
                              on its own standards but on an uncertain
                              "standard" that is not clear in the
                              opinion expressed by ECJ. This is not a
                              good outcome. You trivialize the problem
                              in my opinion.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>vint</div>
                            <div><br>
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                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19,
                              2014 at 8:02 AM, Richard Hill <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a
                                  href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff"
                                        face="Arial">Dear Pablo,</font></span></div>
                                  <div><span></span> </div>
                                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff"
                                        face="Arial">Perhaps I
                                        misunderstood the ECJ judgement,
                                        but it seems to me that it does
                                        not impose any obligation on
                                        Google to adjudicate privacy or
                                        to substitute itself for a
                                        judge.  As I understand it, the
                                        ECJ says that a private person
                                        can request that certain links
                                        be removed.  If the search
                                        provider refuses, then the
                                        private person can ask his
                                        national authorities (data
                                        protection officer or courts, as
                                        the case may be) to evaluate his
                                        request and, if it is justified,
                                        to order the search provider to
                                        remove the link.</font></span></div>
                                  <div><span></span> </div>
                                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff"
                                        face="Arial">Best,</font></span></div>
                                  <div><span><font color="#0000ff"
                                        face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
                                  <div>
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                                            face="Tahoma">-----Original
                                            Message-----<br>
                                            <b>From:</b>
                                            Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a
href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
                                              Behalf Of </b>Pablo
                                            García Mexía<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai
                                            2014 11:35<br>
                                            <b>To:</b> Frédéric Donck<br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b> Delegates
                                            Chapter; European Chapters;
                                            Privacy list; Elist
                                            publicpolicy<br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                            [Chapter-delegates]
                                            [European-chapters] ECJ:
                                            Internet searchengine's data
                                            processing responsibilities<br>
                                            <br>
                                          </font></div>
                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                            Just wrote an article on
                                            my blog on Spanish
                                            ​newspaper <a
                                              href="http://abc.es/"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">ABC.es</a>
                                            concerning this crucial
                                            ruling: <a
                                              href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</a>
                                          </div>
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                            large" class="gmail_default">[In
                                            Spanish, sorry!!]</div>
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                            large" class="gmail_default">Google
                                            does searches; the ECJ will
                                            have it adjudicate on
                                            "privacy" from now on. And
                                            yet, how can Google
                                            substitute to a judge on
                                            issues as relevant and
                                            touchy as these?</div>
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                            large" class="gmail_default">Best
                                            wishes.</div>
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                          </div>
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                          </div>
                                          <div style="COLOR:
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                                            large" class="gmail_default">​</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:13
                                            AM, Frédéric Donck <span
                                              dir="ltr"><<a
                                                href="mailto:donck@isoc.org"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">donck@isoc.org</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                                      style="FONT-SIZE:
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                                                      face="Helvetica">Dear
                                                      All</font></p>
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                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                Please find below a very
                                                important decision from
                                                the European Court of
                                                Justice.
                                                <div>In short, i<span
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                                                    justify">n its</span><span
                                                    style="TEXT-ALIGN:
                                                    justify"> </span><a
                                                    style="TEXT-ALIGN:
                                                    justify"
href="http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-05/cp140070en.pdf"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ruling</a><span
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                                                    justify"> </span><span
                                                    style="TEXT-ALIGN:
                                                    justify">from 13 May
                                                    [Google vs Spanish
                                                    Data Protection
                                                    Agency (AEPD)], the
                                                    Court of Justice of
                                                    the European Union
                                                    stated that an
                                                    operator of Internet
                                                    search engine is
                                                    responsible for the
                                                    processing that it
                                                    carries out of
                                                    personal data which
                                                    appear on web pages
                                                    published by third
                                                    parties. More
                                                    details in the
                                                    attach. I would be
                                                    interested to hear
                                                    your views.</span></div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div
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                                                    justify">We shall
                                                    address it in our
                                                    next EU newsletter
                                                    but felt that the
                                                    information deserved
                                                    immediate
                                                    distribution.</div>
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href="http://www.isoc.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.isoc.org</a></span><br
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                                                    <div>Début du
                                                      message réexpédié
                                                      :</div>
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                                              <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                              As an Internet Society
                                              Chapter Officer of the
                                              European<br>
                                              region you are
                                              automatically subscribed
                                              to this list,<br>
                                              which is regularly
                                              synchronized with the
                                              Internet<br>
                                              Society Chapter Portal
                                              (AMS): <a
                                                href="https://portal.isoc.org/"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                                            </blockquote>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <br clear="all">
                                          <br>
                                          -- <br>
                                          <div dir="ltr">Pablo García
                                            Mexía, J.D., Ph.D.
                                            <div>Profesor visitante de
                                              Derecho de Internet</div>
                                            <div>The College of William
                                              & Mary</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Sigue mi columna
                                              semanal en <a
                                                href="http://abc.es/"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">ABC.es</a></div>
                                            <div><a
                                                href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</a></div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                As an Internet Society Chapter Officer
                                you are automatically subscribed<br>
                                to this list, which is regularly
                                synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
                                Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
                                  href="https://portal.isoc.org/"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                          </div>
_______________________________________________<br>
                          As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are
                          automatically subscribed<br>
                          to this list, which is regularly synchronized
                          with the Internet Society<br>
                          Chapter Portal (AMS): <a
                            href="https://portal.isoc.org/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://portal.isoc.org</a></blockquote>
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                    <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org/">https://portal.isoc.org</a></pre>
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                  <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 

Best, 
Veni Markovski
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.veni.com/">http://www.veni.com</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski">https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/veni">https://twitter.com/veni</a>

The opinions expressed above are those of the 
author, not of any organizations, associated 
with or related to him in any given way. </pre>
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      </span></blockquote>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 

Best, 
Veni Markovski
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.veni.com">http://www.veni.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski">https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/veni">https://twitter.com/veni</a>

The opinions expressed above are those of the 
author, not of any organizations, associated 
with or related to him in any given way. </pre>
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