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Richard,<br>
This sounds strange. <br>
The information will still be there. If someone wants to access it,
they will be able to. If it was true towards certain date, but is
not true any longer, then this should be somehow mentioned.<br>
Let's get out of the digital world for a moment, and go back to
paper. If a newspaper publishes an article, which is wrong or
misleading, it publishes a correction (at some point). There's no
way to remove the old article, or to take away the correction, in
which the original date and artile, and errors are mentioned. And if
someone remembers that there was such a publication, he or she could
serve as a "search engine". What will you tell the person in charge
at the paper articles, "Don't tell anyone there is such an article"?
Or "Tell them there is such an article, and correction after that".
<br>
<br>
v.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/19/14 09:19, Richard Hill wrote:<br>
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<div><span class="171571613-19052014"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">As I understand it, the ruling
establishes a principle that will apply to all search
engines.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="171571613-19052014"></span> </div>
<div><span class="171571613-19052014"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">The information in question was
correct at the time it was published (an updaid debt) but
was no longer correct, because the debt had been paid. The
Spanish court ruled that there was no cause to order the
removal of the original information, because it was correct
at the date of publication. The ECJ ruled that it was
legitimate for the user to request that the link to that
old, and no loger relevant, information be removed when
people searched Google using his name as the search
criterion.</font></span></div>
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<font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Best,</font></div>
<div><span class="171571613-19052014"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">Richard</font></span></div>
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face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>John More<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai 2014 15:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Markovski Veni<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Delegates Chapter; Pablo García Mexía; Privacy
list; Elist publicpolicy; European Chapters<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
[European-chapters] ECJ: Internet searchengine's data
processing responsibilities<br>
<br>
</font></div>
Veni
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<div>To be clear — I support removal of links to all sorts of
defamatory, sexually harassing, etc. Information, but that
is not this case. This allows anyone who does not like a
true information to have links removed, even though the
source is not one that has to be removed.</div>
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<div>And, as you say, Google may be the target, but what about
all the other search engines, including smaller dedicated
ones. Better to regulate the misuse of information, such as
by employers or health insurance companies.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>John More</div>
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<div>
<div>On May 19, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Veni Markovski <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">John, <br>
I understand the case against Google, but what about
the other search engines? And what about the fact that
the information will still exist somewhere, regardless
of whether Google will "forget it" or not?<br>
<br>
v.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/19/14 08:49, John
More wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:BD4325B5-47C9-40DA-B3B6-53C7305A1F75@mac.com"
type="cite">As a lawyer who generally dislikes
litigation, I concur fully with Vint’s statement.
The ECJ’s decision is poorly conceived and drafted
and can only result in expensive litigation
burdening the providers of search services (and
therefore the public).
<div><br>
</div>
<div>John</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On May 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Vint Cerf <<a
href="mailto:vint@google.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">vint@google.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">richard,
<div>litigation is EXPENSIVE. Google is
being forced to make a judgment based not
on its own standards but on an uncertain
"standard" that is not clear in the
opinion expressed by ECJ. This is not a
good outcome. You trivialize the problem
in my opinion.</div>
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<div>vint</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19,
2014 at 8:02 AM, Richard Hill <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial">Dear Pablo,</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial">Perhaps I
misunderstood the ECJ judgement,
but it seems to me that it does
not impose any obligation on
Google to adjudicate privacy or
to substitute itself for a
judge. As I understand it, the
ECJ says that a private person
can request that certain links
be removed. If the search
provider refuses, then the
private person can ask his
national authorities (data
protection officer or courts, as
the case may be) to evaluate his
request and, if it is justified,
to order the search provider to
remove the link.</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial">Best,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Pablo
García Mexía<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai
2014 11:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Frédéric Donck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Delegates
Chapter; European Chapters;
Privacy list; Elist
publicpolicy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Chapter-delegates]
[European-chapters] ECJ:
Internet searchengine's data
processing responsibilities<br>
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large" class="gmail_default">
Just wrote an article on
my blog on Spanish
newspaper <a
href="http://abc.es/"
moz-do-not-send="true">ABC.es</a>
concerning this crucial
ruling: <a
href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</a>
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<div style="COLOR:
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large" class="gmail_default">[In
Spanish, sorry!!]</div>
<div style="COLOR:
rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE:
large" class="gmail_default">Google
does searches; the ECJ will
have it adjudicate on
"privacy" from now on. And
yet, how can Google
substitute to a judge on
issues as relevant and
touchy as these?</div>
<div style="COLOR:
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large" class="gmail_default">Best
wishes.</div>
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Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:13
AM, Frédéric Donck <span
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All</font></p>
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Please find below a very
important decision from
the European Court of
Justice.
<div>In short, i<span
style="TEXT-ALIGN:
justify">n its</span><span
style="TEXT-ALIGN:
justify"> </span><a
style="TEXT-ALIGN:
justify"
href="http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-05/cp140070en.pdf"
target="_blank"
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style="TEXT-ALIGN:
justify"> </span><span
style="TEXT-ALIGN:
justify">from 13 May
[Google vs Spanish
Data Protection
Agency (AEPD)], the
Court of Justice of
the European Union
stated that an
operator of Internet
search engine is
responsible for the
processing that it
carries out of
personal data which
appear on web pages
published by third
parties. More
details in the
attach. I would be
interested to hear
your views.</span></div>
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address it in our
next EU newsletter
but felt that the
information deserved
immediate
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