<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Veni<div><br></div><div>To be clear — I support removal of links to all sorts of defamatory, sexually harassing, etc. Information, but that is not this case. This allows anyone who does not like a true information to have links removed, even though the source is not one that has to be removed.</div><div><br></div><div>And, as you say, Google may be the target, but what about all the other search engines, including smaller dedicated ones. Better to regulate the misuse of information, such as by employers or health insurance companies.</div><div><br></div><div>John More</div><div><br><div><div>On May 19, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Veni Markovski <<a href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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John, <br>
I understand the case against Google, but what about the other
search engines? And what about the fact that the information will
still exist somewhere, regardless of whether Google will "forget it"
or not?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/19/14 08:49, John More wrote:<br>
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As a lawyer who generally dislikes litigation, I concur fully with
Vint’s statement. The ECJ’s decision is poorly conceived and
drafted and can only result in expensive litigation burdening the
providers of search services (and therefore the public).
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<div>On May 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Vint Cerf <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a>>
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<div>litigation is EXPENSIVE. Google is being forced to
make a judgment based not on its own standards but on an
uncertain "standard" that is not clear in the opinion
expressed by ECJ. This is not a good outcome. You
trivialize the problem in my opinion.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:02 AM,
Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Dear
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Perhaps
I misunderstood the ECJ judgement, but it
seems to me that it does not impose any
obligation on Google to adjudicate privacy or
to substitute itself for a judge. As I
understand it, the ECJ says that a private
person can request that certain links be
removed. If the search provider refuses, then
the private person can ask his national
authorities (data protection officer or
courts, as the case may be) to evaluate his
request and, if it is justified, to order the
search provider to remove the link.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Best,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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<b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Pablo García Mexía<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai 2014 11:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Frédéric Donck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Delegates Chapter; European
Chapters; Privacy list; Elist publicpolicy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
[European-chapters] ECJ: Internet
searchengine's data processing
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<div style="COLOR:rgb(0,0,255);FONT-SIZE:large" class="gmail_default">Just wrote an
article on my blog on Spanish newspaper <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://abc.es/">ABC.es</a>
concerning this crucial ruling: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/" target="_blank">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</a>
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<div style="COLOR:rgb(0,0,255);FONT-SIZE:large" class="gmail_default">[In Spanish,
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<div style="COLOR:rgb(0,0,255);FONT-SIZE:large" class="gmail_default">Google does
searches; the ECJ will have it adjudicate
on "privacy" from now on. And yet, how can
Google substitute to a judge on issues as
relevant and touchy as these?</div>
<div style="COLOR:rgb(0,0,255);FONT-SIZE:large" class="gmail_default">Best wishes.</div>
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2014 at 11:13 AM, Frédéric Donck <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:donck@isoc.org" target="_blank">donck@isoc.org</a>></span>
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Please find below a very important
decision from the European Court of
Justice.
<div>In short, i<span style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify">n its</span><span style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify" href="http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-05/cp140070en.pdf" target="_blank">ruling</a><span style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify"> </span><span style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify">from 13
May [Google vs Spanish Data
Protection Agency (AEPD)], the
Court of Justice of the European
Union stated that an operator of
Internet search engine is
responsible for the processing
that it carries out of personal
data which appear on web pages
published by third parties. More
details in the attach. I would be
interested to hear your views.</span></div>
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shall address it in our next EU
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