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<DIV><SPAN class=171571613-19052014><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>As I
understand it, the ruling establishes a principle that will apply to all search
engines.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=171571613-19052014><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=171571613-19052014><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>The
information in question was correct at the time it was published (an updaid
debt) but was no longer correct, because the debt had been paid. The
Spanish court ruled that there was no cause to order the removal of the original
information, because it was correct at the date of publication. The ECJ
ruled that it was legitimate for the user to request that the link to that old,
and no loger relevant, information be removed when people searched Google using
his name as the search criterion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN
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<DIV><BR><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=171571613-19052014><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>Richard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chapter-delegates
[mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John
More<BR><B>Sent:</B> lundi, 19. mai 2014 15:15<BR><B>To:</B> Markovski
Veni<BR><B>Cc:</B> Delegates Chapter; Pablo García Mexía; Privacy list; Elist
publicpolicy; European Chapters<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
[European-chapters] ECJ: Internet searchengine's data processing
responsibilities<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Veni
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>To be clear — I support removal of links to all sorts of defamatory,
sexually harassing, etc. Information, but that is not this case. This
allows anyone who does not like a true information to have links removed, even
though the source is not one that has to be removed.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And, as you say, Google may be the target, but what about all the other
search engines, including smaller dedicated ones. Better to regulate the
misuse of information, such as by employers or health insurance
companies.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>John More</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On May 19, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Veni Markovski <<A
href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">John, <BR>I understand the case
against Google, but what about the other search engines? And what about the
fact that the information will still exist somewhere, regardless of whether
Google will "forget it" or not?<BR><BR>v.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 05/19/14 08:49, John More wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:BD4325B5-47C9-40DA-B3B6-53C7305A1F75@mac.com
type="cite">As a lawyer who generally dislikes litigation, I concur fully
with Vint’s statement. The ECJ’s decision is poorly conceived and
drafted and can only result in expensive litigation burdening the
providers of search services (and therefore the public).
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On May 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Vint Cerf <<A
href="mailto:vint@google.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">vint@google.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV dir=ltr>richard,
<DIV>litigation is EXPENSIVE. Google is being forced to make a judgment
based not on its own standards but on an uncertain "standard" that is
not clear in the opinion expressed by ECJ. This is not a good outcome.
You trivialize the problem in my opinion.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>vint</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Richard Hill
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">rhill@hill-a.ch</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Dear
Pablo,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Perhaps I misunderstood the
ECJ judgement, but it seems to me that it does not impose any
obligation on Google to adjudicate privacy or to substitute itself for
a judge. As I understand it, the ECJ says that a private person
can request that certain links be removed. If the search
provider refuses, then the private person can ask his national
authorities (data protection officer or courts, as the case may be) to
evaluate his request and, if it is justified, to order the search
provider to remove the link.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Richard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</A>]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Pablo García Mexía<BR><B>Sent:</B> lundi, 19. mai 2014
11:35<BR><B>To:</B> Frédéric Donck<BR><B>Cc:</B> Delegates Chapter;
European Chapters; Privacy list; Elist
publicpolicy<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates]
[European-chapters] ECJ: Internet searchengine's data processing
responsibilities<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default>Just wrote an article on my blog on
Spanish newspaper <A href="http://abc.es/"
moz-do-not-send="true">ABC.es</A> concerning this crucial ruling: <A
href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default>[In Spanish, sorry!!]</DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default>Google does searches; the ECJ will have it
adjudicate on "privacy" from now on. And yet, how can Google
substitute to a judge on issues as relevant and touchy as
these?</DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default>Best wishes.</DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default> </DIV>
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class=gmail_default><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Frédéric
Donck <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:donck@isoc.org"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">donck@isoc.org</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" class=MsoNormal><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px" face=Helvetica>Dear All</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Please find below a very important decision from
the European Court of Justice.
<DIV>In short, i<SPAN style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">n
its</SPAN><SPAN style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </SPAN><A
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"
href="http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-05/cp140070en.pdf"
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">ruling</A><SPAN
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">from 13 May [Google vs Spanish Data
Protection Agency (AEPD)], the Court of Justice of the European
Union stated that an operator of Internet search engine is
responsible for the processing that it carries out of personal
data which appear on web pages published by third parties. More
details in the attach. I would be interested to hear your
views.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">We shall address it in our next
EU newsletter but felt that the information deserved immediate
distribution.</DIV>
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </DIV>
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<DIV>Début du message réexpédié :</DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Pablo García Mexía, J.D., Ph.D.
<DIV>Profesor visitante de Derecho de Internet</DIV>
<DIV>The College of William & Mary</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sigue mi columna semanal en <A href="http://abc.es/"
moz-do-not-send="true">ABC.es</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</A></DIV>
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