<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">The article is interesting and much of it points out the fact that substantive work needs to be done on privacy law, the right to respond, etc., which the Court may have brought to the fore, but in the interim will still have created much damage.<div><br></div><div>Finally the Spanish citizen in my view already had a good defense, he has paid his bills since. </div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br><div><div>On May 19, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Richard Hill <<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div><span class="250591313-19052014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">John
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<a href="http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-05/15/google-vs-spain">http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-05/15/google-vs-spain</a>
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<div><span class="250591313-19052014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Best,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="250591313-19052014"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> John More
[<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com">mailto:morej1@mac.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai 2014
14:50<br><b>To:</b> Vint Cerf<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>; Delegates
Chapter; Pablo García Mexía; Privacy list; Elist publicpolicy; European
Chapters<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] [European-chapters] ECJ:
Internet searchengine's data processing
responsibilities<br><br></font></div>As a lawyer who generally dislikes
litigation, I concur fully with Vint’s statement. The ECJ’s decision is
poorly conceived and drafted and can only result in expensive litigation
burdening the providers of search services (and therefore the
public).
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<div>John</div>
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<div>On May 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div dir="ltr">richard,
<div>litigation is EXPENSIVE. Google is being forced to make a judgment
based not on its own standards but on an uncertain "standard" that is not
clear in the opinion expressed by ECJ. This is not a good outcome. You
trivialize the problem in my opinion.</div>
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<div>vint</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Richard Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Dear Pablo,</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Perhaps I misunderstood the ECJ
judgement, but it seems to me that it does not impose any obligation on
Google to adjudicate privacy or to substitute itself for a judge. As
I understand it, the ECJ says that a private person can request that
certain links be removed. If the search provider refuses, then the
private person can ask his national authorities (data protection officer
or courts, as the case may be) to evaluate his request and, if it is
justified, to order the search provider to remove the
link.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Best,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Richard</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Chapter-delegates [mailto:<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Pablo García Mexía<br><b>Sent:</b> lundi, 19. mai 2014
11:35<br><b>To:</b> Frédéric Donck<br><b>Cc:</b> Delegates Chapter;
European Chapters; Privacy list; Elist publicpolicy<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Chapter-delegates] [European-chapters] ECJ: Internet searchengine's
data processing responsibilities<br><br></font></div>
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<div style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large" class="gmail_default">Just wrote an article on my blog on Spanish
newspaper <a href="http://abc.es/">ABC.es</a> concerning this crucial
ruling: <a href="http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/" target="_blank">http://abcblogs.abc.es/ley-red/</a> </div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large" class="gmail_default">[In Spanish, sorry!!]</div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large" class="gmail_default">Google does searches; the ECJ will have it
adjudicate on "privacy" from now on. And yet, how can Google
substitute to a judge on issues as relevant and touchy as these?</div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255); FONT-SIZE: large" class="gmail_default">Best wishes.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Frédéric Donck
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donck@isoc.org" target="_blank">donck@isoc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" class="MsoNormal"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12px" face="Helvetica">Dear All</font></p></div>
<div><br></div>Please find below a very important decision from the
European Court of Justice.
<div>In short, i<span style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">n its</span><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </span><a style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" href="http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-05/cp140070en.pdf" target="_blank">ruling</a><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </span><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">from 13 May [Google vs Spanish Data
Protection Agency (AEPD)], the Court of Justice of the European Union
stated that an operator of Internet search engine is responsible for
the processing that it carries out of personal data which appear on
web pages published by third parties. More details in the attach. I
would be interested to hear your views.</span></div>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify">We shall address it in our next EU
newsletter but felt that the information deserved immediate
distribution.</div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </div>
<div><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline !important; WHITE-SPACE: normal; FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px">Best
Regards</span><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline !important; WHITE-SPACE: normal; FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px">Frederic</span><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline !important; WHITE-SPACE: normal; FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px">Frederic
Donck</span><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline !important; WHITE-SPACE: normal; FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px">Director
European Regional Bureau</span><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline !important; WHITE-SPACE: normal; FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px">Internet
Society</span><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline !important; WHITE-SPACE: normal; FLOAT: none; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"><a href="http://www.isoc.org/" target="_blank">www.isoc.org</a></span><br style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px"></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Pablo García Mexía, J.D., Ph.D.
<div>Profesor visitante de Derecho de Internet</div>
<div>The College of William & Mary</div>
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<div>Sigue mi columna semanal en <a href="http://abc.es/">ABC.es</a></div>
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