<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">+1 :)<div><br></div><div>I take the position of Alex as mine. <br><div><br></div><div>Erick</div><div><br><div><div>El 24/04/2014, a las 12:52, Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Christian, Vint, all,<div><br></div><div>to add to these points: </div><div><br></div><div>The three NomComs I served in made quite specific recommendations to the Board to improve the elections (the implementation is for the Elections Committee.) One very important obstacle to finding a good set of candidates lies in the timetable for that process, and that is one of the main recommendations made about the elections process. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Another is to increase the opportunities for debate among the candidates so that the voting chapters community can get to know them, or see their proposals in detail if they are known. Also this would serve to set a realistic expectation of how much chapters can expect to see the Trustees we vote for once they are elected.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Too often they vaporize away, in what may be an extreme interpretation that the Trustees' obligations are to ISOC as a whole. We don't have strict accountability processes, which may be fine (we see in other organizations that they can create more bureaucracy and simulation), but a bit of a memory where you come from and due to whom you sit in the Board is healthy. Equally applicable is to be able to measure yourself as a Trustee as your years of service pass, against the plans you announced.</div>
<div><br></div><div>IMO adding a blank-vote/abstention option is useful and desirable. </div><div><br></div><div>Christian's point about the significance of an organic participation of Trustees in chapter work for the future of ISOC should not be ignored. I think we are at a crucial juncture for the new administration of ISOC. At the latest next week, looking at a post-facto analysis of NetMundial, we should start seeing some respectful attention, two-way exchanges and the rebirth of organic collaboration between Board, top management, staff, chapters and members (whether individual or organizational.) I've added Kathy Brown to the list of recipients in order to deliver this call decisively.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yours,</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Christian de Larrinaga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="font-family:Optima;font-size:12pt" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Optima"><span style="font-family:Optima">Vint - I
don't know. <br></span><br>However not knowing any candidates means
taking on trust recommendations from those who do and that may limit the
pool of an informed and engaged electorate. <br><br>There is also a
bit of a concern this time around to find candidates who have
substantial "chapter" experience - preferably a founder or certainly an
experienced leader. <br><br>Although trustees represent all parts of
ISOC there is a key priority to transform the roll of chapters in ISOC.
The board needs to have that maturity of experience of chapters in their
midst. <br><br>If that doesn't happen in next eighteen to twenty four
months then I worry that ISOC will be seen as promoting a local view
globally rather than as a distributed community around the world that
just happens to have a US registration and HQ. <br><br><br>Christian <br><br>Vint
Cerf wrote:<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Abstention is a valid choice and there
should be no prejudicial character to that. It may actually be useful to
have a ballot that permits a chapter to submit a vote that effectively
votes for no candidates (my interpretation of a "blank" ballot). Do
others on the list believe that any significant fraction of non-voting
chapters would submit a ballot if this option were available (versus
simply not responding)?<div>
<br></div><div>v</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Bob Hinden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.hinden@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Peter,<br>
<br>
I hope you didn't interpret my email asking Chapters to vote as
interfering with the election. My thinking is that it's important for
as many chapters as possible to vote in the Board election. Personally,
I find it troubling that only half of the chapters (and similar turnout
for org members) choose to vote. Hopefully, the turnout will be higher
this year.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Bob<br>
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On Apr 23, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Peter Koch <<a href="mailto:pk@ISOC.DE" target="_blank">pk@ISOC.DE</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:35:27PM -0500, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Vint's question does beg an answer from you. You may decide not
to<br>
>> interfere with the ongoing election process and answer him and
Desiree in<br>
>> private, then make your answer public when the polling closes. I
don't<br>
>> think you have a lot more choice.<br>
><br>
> on my calendar it's the 24th today. That is 23 days past the first
and one day left<br>
> into the voting deadline. To the latter: I, for one, take the
liberty to exploit the<br>
> full extent of the deadline the election committee came up with. I
am also<br>
> extremely sensitive to "public pressure", especially when it comes
to elections.<br>
> That links to the former: It truly puzzles me to see a request to a
chapter<br>
> to justify their vote (to other chapters), even if that is an
abstention.<br>
> There are several reasons to abstain and sometimes even a qualified
abstention<br>
> might have more value than a ballot cast under "pressure". I am
pretty sure that several<br>
> people on this list who are, sadly, much more qualified from
personal experience<br>
> than myself, would be able to share some depressing insight. Time
to get a globe.<br>
><br>
> -Peter<br>
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