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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Alejandro was pushing a little more
      under the projectors the real work that Chapters are achieving. If
      Chapters are the heart, they are also the acting arm in their own
      community, in many regards. And that includes individuals,
      enterprises, and governments, civil society, non-profit,
      vulnerable communities, impaired, retired, youth, security
      threats, Personal Information Protection (PIP), access,
      affordability, innovation...and I would like to add, Chapters
      efforts to simplify, explain and translate into a comprehensable
      wording the Internet for everyone, the mulistakehoderism and any
      of the 3244 acronyms (<span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span>)
      in use in our daily emails.<br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Louis Houle
Président
Société Internet du Québec - ISOC Québec
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org">Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.isocquebec.org">www.isocquebec.org</a>
Visitez le <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.naralo.org">www.naralo.org</a> </pre>
      Le 2014-03-30 20:59, Eric Burger a écrit :<br>
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      I always seem to leave something out. Alejandro is totally correct
      that Chapters do a lot of outreach to users. More especially, we
      all recognize that ‘users' include individuals, enterprises, and
      governments.
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          <div>On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com">apisanty@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">Hi,
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              <div>I beg to differ... Eric's view:</div>
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              <div>1. seems to reflect a purely infrastructural view of
                the Internet. I'm pretty sure that people in many
                chapters will consider themselves not only as simple
                users Well beyond updating their Facebook walls with
                cute pictures, Chapter members create e-commerce and
                e-government portals, train and teach people and
                organizations, organize, campaign and lobby for Internet
                principles at risk, develop original connectivity and
                software solutions, build and deply gear, networks and
                services, and, what do you know, ocassionally find
                themselves participating in the IETF. </div>
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              <div>2. seems to reflect a silo structure of the
                stakeholders and members of ISOC, which extrapolates the
                necessary grouping of people and organizations for
                internal organizational purposes into an existential
                divide. No surprise that we find ISOC bureaucray
                accepting and even promoting this silo view of
                stakeholders in Internet governance discussions and
                activities; and little wonder they don't know what it is
                that hurt them when this view bites back.</div>
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              <div>The richness of the Internet Society does not lie in
                how it glues together three separate tiles. It lies in
                how effectively it glues together a rich tapestry of
                multfunctional, committed streams. Or was that way until
                recently. Has Sigmund spent one night awake too many?</div>
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              <div>Yours,</div>
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              <div>Alejandro PIsanty</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM,
                Dave Farber <span dir="ltr"><<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dave@farber.net"
                    target="_blank">dave@farber.net</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">Well said. </p>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 29, 2014 2:16 PM,
                    "Eric Burger" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:eburger@standardstrack.com"
                      target="_blank">eburger@standardstrack.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                      <div style="word-wrap:break-word">There are three
                        legs to the ISOC three-legged stool:
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                            <li>Chapters: the people who USE the
                              Internet</li>
                            <li>Organizations: the people who BUILD and
                              RUN the Internet</li>
                            <li>IETF: the people who INVENT, REFINE, and
                              ensure an INTEROPERABLE Internet</li>
                          </ol>
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                        <div><b>No</b> leg is more important than the
                          other:</div>
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                          <ul>
                            <li>Chapters represent individual people’s
                              interests, not driven (necessarily) by a
                              profit or governmental motive. </li>
                            <li>Organizations represent the most people
                              from more geographic regions than any
                              Internet Society community. </li>
                            <li>The IETF represents the best in working
                              out the best technical solution,
                              irrespective of one’s company, national,
                              or ethnic origin.</li>
                          </ul>
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                        <div>Likewise:</div>
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                            <li>Without Organizations, we would not have
                              the insights of how things <i>really</i> work.</li>
                            <li>Without Chapters, we would have no
                              heart.</li>
                            <li>Without the IETF, there would not be an
                              Internet for there to be an Internet
                              Society.</li>
                          </ul>
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                        <div>This is also why, as Jason pointed out,
                          once each Internet Society community selects
                          Trustee(s), those Trustee do not represent
                          that community. Those Trustees work for the
                          best result for the Internet. Not Chapters.
                          Not Organizations. Not the IETF. Not even the
                          Internet Society as a corporation. Just the
                          best for the open, free, accessible, and
                          interoperable Internet.</div>
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                            <div>On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:41 AM, Gihan
                              Dias <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:gihan@uom.lk"
                                target="_blank">gihan@uom.lk</a>>
                              wrote:</div>
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                                <div>On 2014/03/29 පෙ.ව. 9:14, Evan
                                  Leibovitch wrote:<br>
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                                  <p dir="ltr">Any candidate can promise
                                    to throw money at a solution and
                                    hope it will fix itself. (Whether,
                                    once on the Board, such a position
                                    has a realistic ability to succeed,
                                    is reasonable to ask. )</p>
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                                <big>Evan,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  So I will refrain from making
                                  unrealistic promises.<br>
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                                  <p dir="ltr">But the challenge is more
                                    than just money, it is one of
                                    changing culture. IMO, those who are
                                    elected have a responsibility to
                                    ensure at the Board level that
                                    chapters are a built-in
                                    characteristic of ISOC, indeed *the*
                                    defining characteristic, not one
                                    that appears added on as an
                                    afterthought. </p>
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                                <big>Yes. Chapters came later in the
                                  society's evolution. However, now they
                                  are (or should be) one of the two legs
                                  of the society, of equal status with
                                  organisational members. I believe that
                                  the best way to do this to strengthen
                                  chapters by<br>
                                  1. Making chapters be active, visible
                                  and effective at a national level, and
                                  to have chapters identify and drive
                                  national issues<br>
                                  2. Have effective input from each
                                  chapter, through regional bureaus, to
                                  the Society. This will include - but
                                  not be limited to - the Chapter
                                  Advisory Council.<br>
                                  3. Make chapters financially strong by
                                  supporting fund-raising at chapter
                                  level.<br>
                                  4. Support each chapter to have at
                                  least a part time paid staff member. -
                                  otherwise volunteer officers will find
                                  it difficult to get any work done<br>
                                  5. Encourage and support collaboration
                                  among chapters.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I would also like to get your views on
                                  other ways of strengthening chapters.<br>
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                                  <p dir="ltr">Such cultural evolution
                                    requires far more than financial
                                    consideration to ensure chapter
                                    sustainability (though that
                                    component is certainly part of it).
                                    I want to hear from each candidate a
                                    vision that indicates both an
                                    understanding of this challenge and
                                    the political capability to confront
                                    it.</p>
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                                <big>Each chapter is unique, and will
                                  have its own challenges. ISoc should
                                  be flexible enough to work with each
                                  chapter on its own terms, while at the
                                  same time avoiding favoritism.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Regards.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Gihan<br>
                                  ISoc Sri Lanka<br>
                                  BoT Candidate<br>
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              ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a
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              .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
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