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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">All documents are published
      on the link I've sent earlier - it's below in the message:<br>
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      more specifically, the .nl is here:
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/02/14 09:55, Carlos Gutierrez
      wrote:<br>
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      Thank you Veni. Can you please direct me to the link for the
      Accountability Framework the Dutch ccTLD signed?
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      <div>best regards</div>
      <div>Carlos Raul</div>
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      <div>ISOC Costa Rica</div>
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          <div>El 31/03/2014, a las 16:42, Veni Markovski <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>>
            escribió:</div>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Good thing is - the
              agreements are public, and everyone can see them, however
              they differ - e.g. the Russian ccTLD has exchanged letters
              with ICANN, while the Netherlands has signed an
              Accountability Framework. <br>
              It is up to the ccTLD to decide what's acceptable for
              them. <br>
              <br>
              Best,<br>
              Veni <br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/31/14 18:08, Burkov
                Dmitry wrote:<br>
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                imho - I don't think that it is acceptable to sign
                standardized ageements for ccTLDs
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                <div>What is ICANN - and what is real community?</div>
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                <div>Dmitry<br>
                  <div>
                    <div>On 31 Mar 2014, at 18:51, Veni Markovski <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:veni@veni.com">veni@veni.com</a>>

                      wrote:</div>
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                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Vint, <br>
                          Indeed, some of the ccTLDs do that - they seek
                          for some agreement with ICANN. This is all
                          public information, and the agreements can be
                          found here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/cctlds">http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/cctlds</a><br>
                          <br>
                          One may notice that the form of the agreements
                          have changed through the years. <br>
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                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/31/14 05:42,
                          Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAHxHgge8wR4d3qkKPPdiHBjR9=fG==AvzYxX1YNo2kG82m248g@mail.gmail.com"
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                          <div dir="ltr">ICANN mistakenly tried to
                            insist on agreements with ccTLD operators
                            and that provoked a lot of tension, so
                            Steve's position is consistent with
                            experience. Personally, I think the ccTLD
                            operators would be wise to seek such an
                            instrument to reinforce their roles in the
                            operation of the Internet (and it would also
                            help with cryptographic control of changes
                            to the root zone). 
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                            <div>vint</div>
                            <div><br>
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                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 31,
                              2014 at 4:22 AM, Steve Crocker <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com"
                                  target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>Patrik, Seun, et al,</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Here’s a small detail worth
                                    thinking about.  Although some
                                    ccTLDs have agreements with ICANN,
                                    many do not.  Further, many ccTLDs
                                    are not members of the ccNSO, the
                                    Supporting Organization that
                                    represents the ccTLDs within ICANN.
                                     None of this matters when it comes
                                    to providing each ccTLD with updates
                                    to its portion of the root zone.
                                     ICANN serves *every* ccTLD, even
                                    those that operate in locations the
                                    U.S. Government imposes trade
                                    restrictions.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>This is the way it’s been since
                                    the inception of ICANN.  I don’t see
                                    any reason this needs to change.  I
                                    would not envision ICANN *requiring*
                                    any sort of agreement with each of
                                    the ccTLDs.  (We have sometimes
                                    sought such an agreement and may do
                                    so in the future, but it will not be
                                    a requirement.)</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Re the arrangements with
                                    Verisign, I would expect the
                                    adjustments to be only the minimum
                                    that’s required.  I would expect
                                    their operational role and ICANN’s
                                    operational re updates and
                                    publishing of the root zone and the
                                    creation and use of DNSSEC keys to
                                    remain the same.  It’s the
                                    *stewardship* not the actual
                                    operation that’s the subject of
                                    discussion.</div>
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                                      <div>Steve</div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                      <div><br>
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                                          <div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 4:10
                                            AM, Patrik Fältström <<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:patrik@frobbit.se"
                                              target="_blank">patrik@frobbit.se</a>>


                                            wrote:</div>
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                                              31 mar 2014, at 03:57,
                                              Seun Ojedeji <<a
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                                                target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>


                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>On Sun, Mar 30,
                                                      2014 at 10:22 PM,
                                                      Patrik Fältström <span
                                                        dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:patrik@frobbit.se" target="_blank">patrik@frobbit.se</a>></span>
                                                      wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div>On 30 mar
                                                          2014, at
                                                          13:49, Patrick
                                                          Ryan <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:patrickryan@google.com" target="_blank">patrickryan@google.com</a>>


                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <div>I think
                                                          personally one
                                                          could think of
                                                          a model where
                                                          we have the
                                                          various
                                                          responsibilities
                                                          layered:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A.
                                                          Primary layer:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A.1.
                                                          ICANN (as the
                                                          party running
                                                          the IANA
                                                          function)
                                                          signs an AOC
                                                          with each body
                                                          that asks for
                                                          IANA services.</div>
                                                          <div>A.2.
                                                          ICANN to be
                                                          able to
                                                          provide the
                                                          service
                                                          required signs
                                                          whatever
                                                          AOC/MOU/Contract
                                                          needed with
                                                          Verisign and
                                                          whoever else
                                                          that have to
                                                          be involved,
                                                          so that ICANN
                                                          can deliver
                                                          whatever it
                                                          promises under
                                                          A.1.</div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Unless i
                                                          am
                                                          forgetting/missing
                                                          something, I
                                                          think this
                                                          part is
                                                          already
                                                          inplace, and
                                                          there may be
                                                          no need to
                                                          have to repeat
                                                          the signing
                                                          process(re-call
                                                          the scope of
                                                          those who
                                                          require the
                                                          IANA service
                                                          is quite
                                                          broad). The
                                                          only aspect
                                                          which perhaps
                                                          needs to be
                                                          updated is the
                                                          relationship
                                                          between ICANN
                                                          and Verisign
                                                          (since
                                                          verisign
                                                          contract is
                                                          with the USG).
                                                          So ICANN needs
                                                          to sign a
                                                          contract with
                                                          Verisign (just
                                                          as he already
                                                          have signed
                                                          contract with
                                                          other
                                                          registries)<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
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                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                There is today a
                                                cooperative agreement
                                                between NTIA and
                                                Verisign that contain
                                                things I do believe are
                                                related to the root zone
                                                management. Those
                                                details in that
                                                agreement should, I
                                                think, be replaced by a
                                                contract between ICANN
                                                and Verisign. This is
                                                not these operational
                                                actions that Verisign do
                                                are to be moved
                                                elsewhere (to IANA). But
                                                if the basis for the
                                                discussion is to not
                                                change operations of the
                                                root zone management,
                                                then I would like to see
                                                ICANN take over the
                                                pieces of the
                                                Cooperative Agreement
                                                related to the root zone
                                                management.</div>
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                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          <div>B.
                                                          Secondary
                                                          layer:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>B.1.
                                                          ICANN signs
                                                          whatever
                                                          paperwork with
                                                          the parties
                                                          that for
                                                          example uses
                                                          the parameters
                                                          that are
                                                          allocated
                                                          according to
                                                          the policies
                                                          set up under
                                                          category A.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                        <div>I am
                                                          wondering how
                                                          this differ
                                                          from Item A2.1
                                                          that you
                                                          mentioned
                                                          above?<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                B1 has to do with for
                                                example the registries
                                                for each TLD be able to
                                                get an agreement with
                                                ICANN. In the same way
                                                as each organisation
                                                getting any other
                                                parameter from ICANN
                                                (i.e. the RIRs, each
                                                entity that have
                                                something in the IANA
                                                registry). This for the
                                                protocol parameters have
                                                to be discussed somewhat
                                                more whether it is for
                                                example for most of them
                                                IAB that is the other
                                                end of the agreement,
                                                ISOC or whether it is
                                                really each individual.
                                                For PEN it could be the
                                                organisation. For
                                                character sets...</div>
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                                                          <div>C.
                                                          Tertiary
                                                          layer:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>That way,
                                                          at least via
                                                          A.1 and B.1 we
                                                          get a mesh of
                                                          accountability
                                                          agreements
                                                          that should
                                                          ensure that
                                                          things works.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Speaking
                                                          about
                                                          accountability,
                                                          i think the
                                                          bylaw should
                                                          drive the
                                                          accountability
                                                          process. The
                                                          role of the
                                                          board needs to
                                                          be reviewed.
                                                          Now i know
                                                          they always
                                                          say board
                                                          members
                                                          represent the
                                                          interest of
                                                          the
                                                          organisation.
                                                          Yes i agree,
                                                          however i
                                                          believe the
                                                          interest of
                                                          the
                                                          organisation
                                                          should be in
                                                          the bylaw and
                                                          board should
                                                          respect such.
                                                          Now the
                                                          content of the
                                                          bylaw should
                                                          respect the
                                                          PDP of ICANN.
                                                          It is well
                                                          know that the
                                                          PDP of ICANN
                                                          has a bottom
                                                          up approach
                                                          hence the
                                                          community
                                                          interest is
                                                          represented.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>So for me,
                                                          i think more
                                                          work needs to
                                                          be done in
                                                          reviewing the
                                                          exiting bylaw
                                                          and ensuring
                                                          it holds the
                                                          board members
                                                          accountable
                                                          and then the
                                                          board members
                                                          holds the
                                                          organisation
                                                          (in this case
                                                          the CEO)
                                                          accountable in
                                                          an open and
                                                          transparent
                                                          manner.<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
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                                                <br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>But to whom are they
                                                accountable? I was more
                                                thinking of to whom the
                                                accountability was. But
                                                of course you talk about
                                                the internal
                                                implementation of the
                                                accountability and that
                                                is also important
                                                discussion.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>   Patrik</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
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