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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Vint, <br>
      Indeed, some of the ccTLDs do that - they seek for some agreement
      with ICANN. This is all public information, and the agreements can
      be found here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/cctlds">http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/cctlds</a><br>
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      One may notice that the form of the agreements have changed
      through the years. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/31/14 05:42, Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAHxHgge8wR4d3qkKPPdiHBjR9=fG==AvzYxX1YNo2kG82m248g@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">ICANN mistakenly tried to insist on agreements with
        ccTLD operators and that provoked a lot of tension, so Steve's
        position is consistent with experience. Personally, I think the
        ccTLD operators would be wise to seek such an instrument to
        reinforce their roles in the operation of the Internet (and it
        would also help with cryptographic control of changes to the
        root zone). 
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        <div>vint</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Steve
          Crocker <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Patrik, Seun, et al,</div>
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              <div>Here’s a small detail worth thinking about.  Although
                some ccTLDs have agreements with ICANN, many do not.
                 Further, many ccTLDs are not members of the ccNSO, the
                Supporting Organization that represents the ccTLDs
                within ICANN.  None of this matters when it comes to
                providing each ccTLD with updates to its portion of the
                root zone.  ICANN serves *every* ccTLD, even those that
                operate in locations the U.S. Government imposes trade
                restrictions.</div>
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              <div>This is the way it’s been since the inception of
                ICANN.  I don’t see any reason this needs to change.  I
                would not envision ICANN *requiring* any sort of
                agreement with each of the ccTLDs.  (We have sometimes
                sought such an agreement and may do so in the future,
                but it will not be a requirement.)</div>
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              <div>Re the arrangements with Verisign, I would expect the
                adjustments to be only the minimum that’s required.  I
                would expect their operational role and ICANN’s
                operational re updates and publishing of the root zone
                and the creation and use of DNSSEC keys to remain the
                same.  It’s the *stewardship* not the actual operation
                that’s the subject of discussion.</div>
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                  <div>Steve</div>
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                      <div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Patrik Fältström
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:patrik@frobbit.se"
                          target="_blank">patrik@frobbit.se</a>>
                        wrote:</div>
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                        <div style="word-wrap:break-word">On 31 mar
                          2014, at 03:57, Seun Ojedeji <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                                <div>On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:22 PM,
                                  Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:patrik@frobbit.se"
                                      target="_blank">patrik@frobbit.se</a>></span>
                                  wrote:</div>
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                                              <div>On 30 mar 2014, at
                                                13:49, Patrick Ryan <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:patrickryan@google.com" target="_blank">patrickryan@google.com</a>>
                                                wrote:</div>
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                                          <div>I think personally one
                                            could think of a model where
                                            we have the various
                                            responsibilities layered:</div>
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                                          <div>A. Primary layer:</div>
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                                          <div>A.1. ICANN (as the party
                                            running the IANA function)
                                            signs an AOC with each body
                                            that asks for IANA services.</div>
                                          <div>A.2. ICANN to be able to
                                            provide the service required
                                            signs whatever
                                            AOC/MOU/Contract needed with
                                            Verisign and whoever else
                                            that have to be involved, so
                                            that ICANN can deliver
                                            whatever it promises under
                                            A.1.</div>
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                                      <div>Unless i am
                                        forgetting/missing something, I
                                        think this part is already
                                        inplace, and there may be no
                                        need to have to repeat the
                                        signing process(re-call the
                                        scope of those who require the
                                        IANA service is quite broad).
                                        The only aspect which perhaps
                                        needs to be updated is the
                                        relationship between ICANN and
                                        Verisign (since verisign
                                        contract is with the USG). So
                                        ICANN needs to sign a contract
                                        with Verisign (just as he
                                        already have signed contract
                                        with other registries)<br>
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                            <div><br>
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                            There is today a cooperative agreement
                            between NTIA and Verisign that contain
                            things I do believe are related to the root
                            zone management. Those details in that
                            agreement should, I think, be replaced by a
                            contract between ICANN and Verisign. This is
                            not these operational actions that Verisign
                            do are to be moved elsewhere (to IANA). But
                            if the basis for the discussion is to not
                            change operations of the root zone
                            management, then I would like to see ICANN
                            take over the pieces of the Cooperative
                            Agreement related to the root zone
                            management.</div>
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                                        <div>B. Secondary layer:</div>
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                                        <div>B.1. ICANN signs whatever
                                          paperwork with the parties
                                          that for example uses the
                                          parameters that are allocated
                                          according to the policies set
                                          up under category A.</div>
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                                    <div>I am wondering how this differ
                                      from Item A2.1 that you mentioned
                                      above?<br>
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                            B1 has to do with for example the registries
                            for each TLD be able to get an agreement
                            with ICANN. In the same way as each
                            organisation getting any other parameter
                            from ICANN (i.e. the RIRs, each entity that
                            have something in the IANA registry). This
                            for the protocol parameters have to be
                            discussed somewhat more whether it is for
                            example for most of them IAB that is the
                            other end of the agreement, ISOC or whether
                            it is really each individual. For PEN it
                            could be the organisation. For character
                            sets...</div>
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                                        <div>C. Tertiary layer:</div>
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                                        <div>That way, at least via A.1
                                          and B.1 we get a mesh of
                                          accountability agreements that
                                          should ensure that things
                                          works.</div>
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                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>Speaking about accountability,
                                      i think the bylaw should drive the
                                      accountability process. The role
                                      of the board needs to be reviewed.
                                      Now i know they always say board
                                      members represent the interest of
                                      the organisation. Yes i agree,
                                      however i believe the interest of
                                      the organisation should be in the
                                      bylaw and board should respect
                                      such. Now the content of the bylaw
                                      should respect the PDP of ICANN.
                                      It is well know that the PDP of
                                      ICANN has a bottom up approach
                                      hence the community interest is
                                      represented.<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>So for me, i think more work
                                      needs to be done in reviewing the
                                      exiting bylaw and ensuring it
                                      holds the board members
                                      accountable and then the board
                                      members holds the organisation (in
                                      this case the CEO) accountable in
                                      an open and transparent manner.<br>
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                          <div>But to whom are they accountable? I was
                            more thinking of to whom the accountability
                            was. But of course you talk about the
                            internal implementation of the
                            accountability and that is also important
                            discussion.</div>
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                          <div>   Patrik</div>
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