<div dir="ltr">Hello all,<div><br></div><div>Please forgive my ignorance, I am still getting used to all this. Much learning still to be done by a new chapter.</div><div><br></div><div>Given that ISO has been mentioned, I am interested to know if there is any relationship -- formal, informal or otherwise -- between IETF and ISO (or, to be more specific, the ICT component of ISO known as "<a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/jtc1_home.html">JTC1</a>").</div>
<div><br></div><div>I was involved for a while -- through the Canadian participant in ISO, the Canadian Standards Association -- in <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards_development/list_of_iso_technical_committees/iso_technical_committee.htm?commid=45202">JTC1/SC22</a>, which deals with standardization of programming languages, APIs and file formats. While most of the JTC1 work does not converge on Internet infrastructure work done by IETF or W3C (dealing with cables, connectors, hardware interfaces, file formats, etc), some of it (such as <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards_development/list_of_iso_technical_committees/iso_technical_committee.htm?commid=45306">JTC1/SC27 on "IT Security techniques"</a>) can come close. One working group still in formation, "JTC 1/SWG 5 -- the Internet of Things (IoT)", certainly could benefit from some cross-pollination if it doesn't already exist.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>- Evan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2014 02:57, Halbersztadt Jozef (jothal) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jozef.halbersztadt@gmail.com" target="_blank">jozef.halbersztadt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US">Dear all,<br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US">In Poland, as in many
countries, for public procurement we have regulation</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US"><a href="http://dziennikustaw.gov.pl/DU/2012/526/1" target="_blank">http://dziennikustaw.gov.pl/DU/2012/526/1</a></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US"><font face="Times New Roman, serif">§</font>
16.2: If there is lack of rules, norms and standards referred in
point 1 [set by state or EU norms authorities] applied are
international standards, in particular developed by:</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US">1) Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF) and published as Request For Comments (RFC),</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US">2) World Wide Web
Consortium (W3C) and published as W3C Recommendation (REC)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US">In controversial
situations it doesn’t work. Companies supported by their chambers of
commerce use so called industrial standards. Eg. doc instead of odt etc.
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-US">Regards<br>
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<br></div>Józef Halbersztadt<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>'JotHal' jozef [dot] halbersztadt [at] gmail [dot] com<br>
Internet Society Poland <a href="http://www.isoc.org.pl" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org.pl</a></font></span><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<br><br></font></span><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">2014-02-26 9:18 GMT+01:00 Markus Kummer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kummer@isoc.org" target="_blank">kummer@isoc.org</a>></span>:</font></span><div>
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<div>Dear Elver, Vint, all,</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Vint has explained the problem in a nutshell. Most governments adopt standards that derive either from their national standards bodies and/or official international standards organizations, such as ITU-T and
ISO at the global level or, at the regional level, in Europe, CEN, CENELEC and ETSI. Often, these organizations are referenced in national legislation as well as in international treaties. How this is done, varies from country to country. Some governments,
for instance, recognize IETF standards by reference, by specifying RFCs in public procurement. IT We would be interested in hearing from our Chapters whether they have any indications as to how this is handled in their respective countries. Ultimately, it
would be significant to have governments recognize IETF standards in their national legislations.<u></u><u></u></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">As you know, ISOC takes pride in providing the institutional home of the IETF and does its best to promote the IETF and its work. The sentence that caught your eyes refers to our outreach to governments we
have been engaged in for the past two years. We invited policy makers to IETF meetings and will continue to do so. At the forthcoming IETF meeting in London we will have more than 30 policy makers from all regions, nearly a third of them from Europe.<u></u><u></u></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Best regards<u></u><u></u></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Markus<u></u><u></u></font></p>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday25, February, 2014 10:56 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Elver Loho <<a href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com" target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Chapter Delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">some governments only recognize standards from national or treaty-like organizations. They won't specify the use of other standards from private sector organizations. I think this was just an offer to make known the IETF work and the widespread
voluntary adoption of its recommendations.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Elver Loho <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:elver.loho@gmail.com" target="_blank">elver.loho@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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I stumbled upon this document in one of ISOC's newsletters:<br>
<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/europe-bureau-public-policy/2014/02/european-commissions-position-future-internet-governance" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/europe-bureau-public-policy/2014/02/european-commissions-position-future-internet-governance</a><br>
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In it there is this sentence: "The Internet Society stands ready to<br>
assist European authorities to familiarize themselves with the work of<br>
the IETF and calls on European governments to recognize IETF<br>
standards."<br>
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What is meant by this? How would a government formally recognize<br>
technical standards? Because if something sensible was meant by this<br>
sentence, then it could be a task for the local EU chapters.<br>
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Best,<br>
Elver<br>
.ee<br>
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skype: elver.loho<br>
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